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borrowed wrote:

mks wrote:I don't know what the fuck they are, but I've been seeing them for years in cities in the US and Europe. All I know is they do not dissipate like normal contrails but rather spread out into a light cloud.

Fuck you people are stupid. High fucking altitude air currents dont work the way they do at the surface, allowing contrails to hover for long periods of time without being blurred by wind.

+1 I thought people classed themselves as educated, didnt you do geography at school or maybe you haven't got that far yet lol.

borrowed wrote:

mks wrote:I don't know what the fuck they are, but I've been seeing them for years in cities in the US and Europe. All I know is they do not dissipate like normal contrails but rather spread out into a light cloud.

Fuck you people are stupid. High fucking altitude air currents dont work the way they do at the surface, allowing contrails to hover for long periods of time without being blurred by wind.

That is not how they usually behave actually. They usually do spread out into clouds or they are pushed on the air currents. Anyways, I already said I don't what the fuck they are, just that I have been observing them just like many other people. I will do more research with some of the links that Knell posted when I have some time. I am just as skeptical about these things as are many people, but have been noticing them more and more for the last while.

No need for the insults...

Keep in mind, it's important to discuss conspiracies like this in the open, where everyone can read evidence from both sides, and make up their mind for themselves. Insults only get people worked up.

I've had my say, and the opposition have had theirs. Hopefully that's enough information for anyone to decide one way or the other. (Although I have literally hundreds of links to research articles that shed light on this, i just posted the best ones, if anyone's interested just send me a PM)

Also, it's important to look into any and all conspiracies, as they can often turn out to be true. (Although they usually are feasible political theories and not quite as farfetched as the popular ones, stuff like Iran-Contra)

Anyway, it's been fun.

Badman Juice wrote:(lol @ the idiot next to him breathing normal air)

Till' next time

mks wrote:

borrowed wrote:

mks wrote:I don't know what the fuck they are, but I've been seeing them for years in cities in the US and Europe. All I know is they do not dissipate like normal contrails but rather spread out into a light cloud.

Fuck you people are stupid. High fucking altitude air currents dont work the way they do at the surface, allowing contrails to hover for long periods of time without being blurred by wind.

That is not how they usually behave actually. They usually do spread out into clouds or they are pushed on the air currents. Anyways, I already said I don't what the fuck they are, just that I have been observing them just like many other people. I will do more research with some of the links that Knell posted when I have some time. I am just as skeptical about these things as are many people, but have been noticing them more and more for the last while.

No need for the insults...

The fact that you think there's even the slightest chance some evil overlords are killing us by sprinkling aluminum dust into the air and that you (a teenager with no knowledge of air currents or aviation) can uncover this by watching how "contrails" behave in your back yard pretty much badges you as an idiot.

knell wrote:Keep in mind, it's important to discuss conspiracies like this in the open, where everyone can read evidence from both sides, and make up their mind for themselves. Insults only get people worked up.

I've had my say, and the opposition have had theirs. Hopefully that's enough information for anyone to decide one way or the other. (Although I have literally hundreds of links to research articles that shed light on this, i just posted the best ones, if anyone's interested just send me a PM)

Also, it's important to look into any and all conspiracies, as they can often turn out to be true. (Although they usually are feasible political theories and not quite as farfetched as the popular ones, stuff like Iran-Contra)

Anyway, it's been fun.

Badman Juice wrote:(lol @ the idiot next to him breathing normal air)

And you think being polite to these witch hunters is the proper course of action? These people should be ridiculed and laughed at from all angles.

Edit: fucks sake because of these nutters we have a tea party and a candidate for presidency that believes in chemtrails and other wacky bullshit.

borrowed wrote:

mks wrote:

borrowed wrote:

mks wrote:I don't know what the fuck they are, but I've been seeing them for years in cities in the US and Europe. All I know is they do not dissipate like normal contrails but rather spread out into a light cloud.

Fuck you people are stupid. High fucking altitude air currents dont work the way they do at the surface, allowing contrails to hover for long periods of time without being blurred by wind.

That is not how they usually behave actually. They usually do spread out into clouds or they are pushed on the air currents. Anyways, I already said I don't what the fuck they are, just that I have been observing them just like many other people. I will do more research with some of the links that Knell posted when I have some time. I am just as skeptical about these things as are many people, but have been noticing them more and more for the last while.

No need for the insults...

The fact that you think there's even the slightest chance some evil overlords are killing us by sprinkling aluminum dust into the air and that you (a teenager with no knowledge of air currents or aviation) can uncover this by watching how "contrails" behave in your back yard pretty much badges you as an idiot.

borrowed wrote: And you think being polite to these witch hunters is the proper course of action? These people should be ridiculed and laughed at from all angles.

Edit: fucks sake because of these nutters we have a tea party and a candidate for presidency that believes in chemtrails and other wacky bullshit.

yes i do, i think being polite and fair to everyone is the proper course of action. that's just my style these days. i've tried yelling, i've tried insults. the thing is, that usually gets them more riled up and they shut off to what you say. it also makes you look like kind of a jerk if you dont contribute any evidence, but just hurl insults.

i'm not saying i dont laugh at my screen from time to time, but really, all i can do is put the information I know out there, and hope that the passive readers will understand what i'm trying to say. there's usually no convincing a theorist, so ridicule isn't usually effective, in my experience. ill leave that to others, i'll stick to just evidence.

and which tea party candidate believes in chemtrails? i havent heard that before, you've got me worried

borrowed wrote:

mks wrote:

borrowed wrote:

mks wrote:I don't know what the fuck they are, but I've been seeing them for years in cities in the US and Europe. All I know is they do not dissipate like normal contrails but rather spread out into a light cloud.

Fuck you people are stupid. High fucking altitude air currents dont work the way they do at the surface, allowing contrails to hover for long periods of time without being blurred by wind.

That is not how they usually behave actually. They usually do spread out into clouds or they are pushed on the air currents. Anyways, I already said I don't what the fuck they are, just that I have been observing them just like many other people. I will do more research with some of the links that Knell posted when I have some time. I am just as skeptical about these things as are many people, but have been noticing them more and more for the last while.

No need for the insults...

The fact that you think there's even the slightest chance some evil overlords are killing us by sprinkling aluminum dust into the air and that you (a teenager with no knowledge of air currents or aviation) can uncover this by watching how "contrails" behave in your back yard pretty much badges you as an idiot.

If you look back on what I said, I never said anything about aluminum or what their composition is. Never said anything about evil overlords. I merely said that I have observed these contrails and sometimes there are a lot of them. Perhaps the atmospheric conditions are conducive for them on those particular days.

I do know that you are an asshole and can fuck right off. I'm not a teenager by the way.

My point in calling you a teenager was to say that you're not exactly a trained scientist when it comes to observing clouds. I could have used the word uneducated, but that would have been misconstrued even more.

borrowed wrote:My point in calling you a teenager was to say that you're not exactly a trained scientist when it comes to observing clouds. I could have used the word uneducated, but that would have been misconstrued even more.

Well, I was quite on the fence about all of this and rather than add anything useful to the conversation, you proceeded to attribute things that I did not say to me and then called me an idiot twice, and there was no misconstruing that. First time I let it slide.

Guys you caught me. I mostly spray above Canada, simply because the gravity will pull the aluminum south. What's the benefit you have asked? Well you may have noticed the influx of beached whales, they stretch transluscent skin over themselves and sit and watch the telly all day without providing anything back to society. They are the illegal immigrants of our time, but they aren't human!

They steal our TV signals and steal our pension plans and collect EI, so I divised a plan to spread aluminum which deposits in fat, like whale blubber. That way we can slowly remove these illegal whales from our great nations, in order to reclaim fast Internet connections and paid television!

ogunslinger wrote:It still doesn't explain why this contrail just sits and expands throughout the sky all day.

Ever hear of something called a cloud? A contrail is a artificial cloud.
They are both water vapor and small ice crystals, if the conditions are right theres nothing stopping them 'sitting in the sky all day'

Crosby wrote:

ogunslinger wrote:It still doesn't explain why this contrail just sits and expands throughout the sky all day.

Ever hear of something called a cloud? A contrail is a artificial cloud.
They are both water vapor and small ice crystals, if the conditions are right theres nothing stopping them 'sitting in the sky all day'

Really? I'm shocked I had no idea.

Seriously though, I'm not pointing to the sky and saying poison. My beliefs on the matter are based on the testing that has been completed, (soil etc.) Obviously there is enough evidence on both sides of the matter, you just need to go with what you feel is right. Also take note it is not unheard of to spray substances from aircrafts for weather modification.

In Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Bases conclusion, the N.A.S. found that the most effective global warming mitigation turned out to be the spraying of reflective aerosol compounds into the atmosphere utilizing commercial, military and private aircraft. This preferred mitigation method is designed to create a global atmospheric shield which would increase the planet's albedo (reflectivity) using aerosol compounds of aluminum and barium oxides, and to introduce ozone generating chemicals into the atmosphere.

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mks wrote:

borrowed wrote:My point in calling you a teenager was to say that you're not exactly a trained scientist when it comes to observing clouds. I could have used the word uneducated, but that would have been misconstrued even more.

Well, I was quite on the fence about all of this and rather than add anything useful to the conversation, you proceeded to attribute things that I did not say to me and then called me an idiot twice, and there was no misconstruing that. First time I let it slide.

That was a clarification, not an apology.

ogunslinger wrote:

Crosby wrote:

ogunslinger wrote:It still doesn't explain why this contrail just sits and expands throughout the sky all day.

Ever hear of something called a cloud? A contrail is a artificial cloud.
They are both water vapor and small ice crystals, if the conditions are right theres nothing stopping them 'sitting in the sky all day'

Really? I'm shocked I had no idea.

Seriously though, I'm not pointing to the sky and saying poison. My beliefs on the matter are based on the testing that has been completed, (soil etc.) Obviously there is enough evidence on both sides of the matter, you just need to go with what you feel is right. Also take note it is not unheard of to spray substances from aircrafts for weather modification.

In Policy Implications of Greenhouse Warming: Mitigation, Adaptation, and the Science Bases conclusion, the N.A.S. found that the most effective global warming mitigation turned out to be the spraying of reflective aerosol compounds into the atmosphere utilizing commercial, military and private aircraft. This preferred mitigation method is designed to create a global atmospheric shield which would increase the planet's albedo (reflectivity) using aerosol compounds of aluminum and barium oxides, and to introduce ozone generating chemicals into the atmosphere.

lightwatcher.com

Considering you think high quantities of aluminum cause Alzheimer's, I'd love to see your elaborate testing on "soil, etc".

If you look here, you can see that aerosol mitigation has been determined to be unproven, and is typically added as an addendum to the NAS study (this was in 2007, the NAS study was in '92. Notice how it's worded, it's still speculation on what would happen if a large-scale project went underway). There have been no large-scale geoengineering projects performed because the risks/benefits are still being weighed. Under your logic you're assuming some part of the government gave the green light to do something drastic, keep it under wraps, and hope for the best, with the "public's best interest" at heart. None of that makes any sense (to me), but hey, there are some pretty stupid high-ranking politicians of past and present, so i can't say there's no way you're correct .

Plus, using aluminum/barium oxides as a method isn't even considered in the geoengineering community. I asked. Most advocates swear by using sulfur aerosols. Which, seems to me at least, following your logic of it seeping down into the ground, would be a few orders of magnitude worse than Al/Ba.

borrowed wrote:

mks wrote:

borrowed wrote:My point in calling you a teenager was to say that you're not exactly a trained scientist when it comes to observing clouds. I could have used the word uneducated, but that would have been misconstrued even more.

Well, I was quite on the fence about all of this and rather than add anything useful to the conversation, you proceeded to attribute things that I did not say to me and then called me an idiot twice, and there was no misconstruing that. First time I let it slide.

That was a clarification, not an apology.

Don't need an apology from you. You're still a twat either way. Let me clarify this: Learn how to differentiate other people's comments from my own because that really makes you look like an idiot.

mks wrote:

borrowed wrote:

mks wrote:

borrowed wrote:My point in calling you a teenager was to say that you're not exactly a trained scientist when it comes to observing clouds. I could have used the word uneducated, but that would have been misconstrued even more.

Well, I was quite on the fence about all of this and rather than add anything useful to the conversation, you proceeded to attribute things that I did not say to me and then called me an idiot twice, and there was no misconstruing that. First time I let it slide.

That was a clarification, not an apology.

Don't need an apology from you. You're still a twat either way. Let me clarify this: Learn how to differentiate other people's comments from my own because that really makes you look like an idiot.

Anyways, thank you Knell for providing some links.

As I said before, I have heard stories from both sides of the argument for a few years now, the whole chemtrails vs contrails thing. Never really had a conclusive opinion on them one way or other, other than the fact that I see them all of the time in various climate conditions. It's seems both sides are pretty adamant about their viewpoint and I cannot discount scientific studies on the matter.

Here are a couple of pretty pictures taken from my apartment a few months ago: