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any chance you could respond to my point bass hertz?

Genevieve wrote:The miscommunication here is that when the pro-choicers say 'human' they actually mean 'person'. Essentially, butt is right, an embryo is a human in its earliest stages. Not every human can think, or talk (like a vegetable) and humans can't produce non-human offspring.

Doesn't mean I agree with him, though, he's pretty vile. But whatever it is, it's genetically totally human. Let's discuss if it is a PERSON or not.

its not. this is where faith and the belief of a human soul comes into play and holy shit its time to throw logic out the window if we are going to even give that a consideration.

esfandyar wrote:stem from this thought process.

This is where you went wrong, mate.

Genevieve wrote:The miscommunication here is that when the pro-choicers say 'human' they actually mean 'person'. Essentially, butt is right, an embryo is a human in its earliest stages. Not every human can think, or talk (like a vegetable) and humans can't produce non-human offspring.

Doesn't mean I agree with him, though, he's pretty vile. But whatever it is, it's genetically totally human. Let's discuss if it is a PERSON or not.

Abortion definition doesn't change whether you define a human life as human or a person. They are both the same and have the right to create their own identity with out labels.

butt jolokia wrote:

Genevieve wrote:The miscommunication here is that when the pro-choicers say 'human' they actually mean 'person'. Essentially, butt is right, an embryo is a human in its earliest stages. Not every human can think, or talk (like a vegetable) and humans can't produce non-human offspring.

Doesn't mean I agree with him, though, he's pretty vile. But whatever it is, it's genetically totally human. Let's discuss if it is a PERSON or not.

Abortion definition doesn't change whether you define a human life as human or a person. They are both the same and have the right to create their own identity with out labels.

It does, for the exact same reason a child does not have the same rights as an adult.

Pistonsbeneath wrote:any chance you could respond to my point bass hertz?

No. You are mixing apples and baseball bats. Abortion vs. War? Try to stay on topic.

collige wrote:

butt jolokia wrote:

Genevieve wrote:The miscommunication here is that when the pro-choicers say 'human' they actually mean 'person'. Essentially, butt is right, an embryo is a human in its earliest stages. Not every human can think, or talk (like a vegetable) and humans can't produce non-human offspring.

Doesn't mean I agree with him, though, he's pretty vile. But whatever it is, it's genetically totally human. Let's discuss if it is a PERSON or not.

Abortion definition doesn't change whether you define a human life as human or a person. They are both the same and have the right to create their own identity with out labels.

It does, for the exact same reason a child does not have the same rights as an adult.

Rights or dependencies ? Please, define "rights" through a set of examples.

butt jolokia wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:any chance you could respond to my point bass hertz?

No. You are mixing apples and baseball bats. Abortion vs. War? Try to stay on topic.

pretty sure you would have got what i was saying

POPULATION INCREASE = FOOD SHORTAGES = WAR

NO ABORTION = BIGGER POPULATION INCREASE

butt jolokia wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:any chance you could respond to my point bass hertz?

No. You are mixing apples and baseball bats. Abortion vs. War? Try to stay on topic.

pistons brings a really good point up, and you are shrugging it off. he is talking about the real threat of overpopulation which we are already facing. we will literally shit ourselves to death as a whole population if we dont do something about it, and abortion, albeit sad and tragic, is one of those forms to try to control unwanted pregnancies.

svpreme wrote: Butt Jolokia is a reprehensible person...I don't really understand why the mods are trying to get rid of all the abuse hurled at him. It's one of those rare cases in which it's completely fucking justified, and it's sad that he isn't called out on this shit more often.

I always feel it's better to debate than reduce yourself to ad hominem attacks.

Just saying.

Fine. Prevent war AND abortion. Stop having sex.

butt jolokia wrote:

collige wrote:

butt jolokia wrote:

Genevieve wrote:The miscommunication here is that when the pro-choicers say 'human' they actually mean 'person'. Essentially, butt is right, an embryo is a human in its earliest stages. Not every human can think, or talk (like a vegetable) and humans can't produce non-human offspring.

Doesn't mean I agree with him, though, he's pretty vile. But whatever it is, it's genetically totally human. Let's discuss if it is a PERSON or not.

Abortion definition doesn't change whether you define a human life as human or a person. They are both the same and have the right to create their own identity with out labels.

It does, for the exact same reason a child does not have the same rights as an adult.

Rights or dependencies ? Please, define "rights" through a set of examples.

Children do not have a right to drive, drink alcohol or determine who to have sex with, the reasons for which being determined by their psycological and physical development.

butt jolokia wrote:Fine. Prevent war AND abortion. Stop having sex.

worst solution ever. jesus. what is humanity without sexuality?

firky wrote:

svpreme wrote: Butt Jolokia is a reprehensible person...I don't really understand why the mods are trying to get rid of all the abuse hurled at him. It's one of those rare cases in which it's completely fucking justified, and it's sad that he isn't called out on this shit more often.

I always feel it's better to debate than reduce yourself to ad hominem attacks.

Just saying.

too many ann coulters in the world already.

i'm struggling to find a reason not to lock this shitstorm

esfandyar wrote:

butt jolokia wrote:

Pistonsbeneath wrote:any chance you could respond to my point bass hertz?

No. You are mixing apples and baseball bats. Abortion vs. War? Try to stay on topic.

pistons brings a really good point up, and you are shrugging it off. he is talking about the real threat of overpopulation which we are already facing. we will literally shit ourselves to death as a whole population if we dont do something about it, and abortion, albeit sad and tragic, is one of those forms to try to control unwanted pregnancies.

I'm not anti-abortiuon....but there is no way it should be considered a method of population control!

Contrception, education and better living standards lead to people having less children.

There is enough food and water in the world, its use and distribution that are the problem.

The bible mentions enough times about the slaying of the children of Israel's enemies. So it's not like God is above a little infanticide;

Hosea 13:16
The people of Samaria must bear their guilt,
because they have rebelled against their God.
They will fall by the sword;
their little ones will be dashed to the ground,
their pregnant women ripped open."

This passage could be interpreted as saying it's ok to kill the unborn child of a woman, as long as she is not of the people of God.

I don't see why y'all are arguing. He is a neo-con christian. The rest of you aren't. For both sides it's like talking to a

The fact of the matter is that abortion is available and does happen on a daily basis. Bass Hertz is on the back foot so why you all so mad?

butt jolokia wrote:

Neptune wrote: My friend used to counsel women who had gone through abortion, and said it was absolutely awful. A lot of the women had named their child and would say '_____ would have been _____ years old now'. And the women who's abortion meant that they couldn't have kids in the future were really fucked up.

This is FACT.

so you're backing the case for abortion with mental scarring...

what about the mental scarring on a child born of incestual rape and given up for adoption...

in terms of whats not fair and likely to cause yet MORE damage you're going the right way about it

as is shown so many times, arguing with religious belief is like banging your head against a brick wall

they have one point and one point only, its so fundamental to their belief structure that reason cannot break it down despite the glaring discrepancies in what they say

pro-life is an absolute joke

by christian reasoning a child aborted is entirely innocent and will go to heaven so whats the problem... catholics have a problem though don't they??

butt jolokia wrote:Fine. Prevent war AND abortion. Stop having sex.

can people have a vasectomy and have sex?