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laurent__duval wrote:
best way to tell if someones truly english, watch what they do when they're waiting for a bus. if they queue in an orderly fashion 5 minutes before it's there, english.

Pistonsbeneath wrote:

Noam wrote:
because he clearly hasn't got a clue what he's talking about

he's right, nearly all the butchers round rusholme way are halal

a) whats wrong with Halal meat?
b) whats wrong with asian butchers?
c) how does he know that the owner of the butchers is 1st gen immigrant - i said to him, ''I'm 2nd gen, i was born in england, my first language is english, if i open a butcher's in rusholme that sells halal meat how is that not English and how is that eroding the tradition, and heritage of england?''
d) if you go outside of rusholme, less than 5minutes walk you can get an english butchers serving non-halal meat
e) these IDIOTS, and i stress the word IDIOTS because if you dont realise this then thats what you are... forget that England is 92% white, most of that is British... thats an insane abundance of White British - and for White, British folk to complain about THEIR culture being eroded is a disgraceful ignorance which should be openly mocked - White, British of all classes have more opportunity, more rights, more advantages given to them than any immigrant does
f) culture evolves, there's a reason it means both this and this

its about growth as a society, an inclusive, open and accepting, pleasant society of people who share as much as they differ

its not about complaining because one mile of the area YOU MOVED TO FROM YOUR LEAFY SUBURBAN, MULTI-MILLION POUND FLAT YOUR DADDY OWNS has a few asian butchers serving Halal meat... fuck him. prick. fuck him and his pseudo-national pride. fuck him and his bullshit 'i moved to moss-side and now pretend im a G'. and most of all fuck his stupid, nonsensical claims about a country he knows fuck all about and a portion of the society, that lives in the country he is apparently so passionate about that he also knows fuck all about.

fuck him and his passive, blind, thinly veiled racism. tnuc.

there are so many assumptions within this of the reason why people might say such things

i dont think youre in a position to judge why someone could think something

ultimately maybe someone could think it without feeling there is something wrong with halal meat / foreign butchers etc...maybe they felt there wasnt anything wrong with english butchers....just to play devils advocate why does someone not liking an area becoming almost totally devoid of english make them a hater of anyone non english? surely it just means they would like some english people?

personally...i dont care but then i dont really care about where im from as a country

i tall you what does sometimes bother me if im being honest, the lack of people getting my english humour in shops / takeaways etc owned by people that dont grasp english humour.....also the general lack of friendliness at both my local asian owned (pretty sure they moved here given their grasp of language) paper shops...i am friendly to them and they are not friendly back and it seems tied into the lack of understanding of english culture

also 3 shops down is a hardward shop where i get all my useful stuff for the flat like one shot acid / superglue / plungers etc etc and a young guy works there that has pakistani parents but hes english and we get on well and tend to share a joke when i go in there...by english i mean he was obviously born here and gets our humour and way we are as well...he is the same

my views here are not racist and im also a half intelligent man so god knows how the inbred people that live on my estate tend to regard the two paper shops!

a friend of mine asked about vacancies in a branch of new look and a girl that didnt speak very good english in a polish accent laughed at her and said 'there is no job here'...now if i went to another country and got a job there i wouldnt laugh at someone born there asking about vacancies but thats just me..

its very easy to point the finger at others when you live an insulated life and then proclaim the people are getting upset for middle class reasons but the fact is people in a worse situation are more integrated into the lives of immigrants and are therefore going to often have more reasons to be annoyed

and capo ultra youre just trying to make people out to be racist

its very easy to point the finger at others when you live an insulated life and then proclaim the people are getting upset for middle class reasons but the fact is people in a worse situation are more integrated into the lives of immigrants and are therefore going to often have more reasons to be annoyed

collige wrote:

bright maroon wrote:I was just eating dry Cherios off my own dirty ass floor...I was momentarily repulsed by my own self.

JBoy wrote:Noam and capo, are you asian because you seem to be getting worked up slightly? Asians always play the victim card nowadays, i mean for fuck sake englands a multi racial country, im half czech but i still class myself as english.As many people hate europeans immigrants as they do pakistani or indian. Lets all calm down, in my opinion being english is the way you live and what you have pride in not just a bith right.

noam wrote: including growing up in a jewish/muslim family in a notoriously working class, white, racist area so im on pretty firm ground when it comes to things like this

JBoy wrote:Noam and capo, are you asian because you seem to be getting worked up slightly? Asians always play the victim card nowadays, i mean for fuck sake englands a multi racial country, im half czech but i still class myself as english. As many people hate european immigrants as they do pakistani or indian. Lets all calm down, in my opinion being english is the way you live and what you have pride in not just a bith right.

I suppose this message will get some major incoming

noam wrote:

JBoy wrote:Noam and capo, are you asian because you seem to be getting worked up slightly? Asians always play the victim card nowadays, i mean for fuck sake englands a multi racial country, im half czech but i still class myself as english. As many people hate european immigrants as they do pakistani or indian. Lets all calm down, in my opinion being english is the way you live and what you have pride in not just a bith right.

I suppose this message will get some major incoming

wowzers

im not getting worked up cos im playing the victim card

im getting angry at people's stupidity

i dont pretend to know what being english is, but i was born here, lived here all my life, my nationality is British and my ethnicity is mixed

anything else you wana know just ask

JBoy wrote:Asians always play the victim card nowadays

JBoy wrote:

noam wrote:

JBoy wrote:Noam and capo, are you asian because you seem to be getting worked up slightly? Asians always play the victim card nowadays, i mean for fuck sake englands a multi racial country, im half czech but i still class myself as english. As many people hate european immigrants as they do pakistani or indian. Lets all calm down, in my opinion being english is the way you live and what you have pride in not just a bith right.

I suppose this message will get some major incoming

wowzers

im not getting worked up cos im playing the victim card

im getting angry at people's stupidity

i dont pretend to know what being english is, but i was born here, lived here all my life, my nationality is British and my ethnicity is mixed

anything else you wana know just ask

But then surely that makes you english, fuck what anyone else says.

All these people that think theyre true english most likely are not. There was a tv programme that tested peoples dna and the results were quite funny, all the people that were 'im english i hate Successful Black Man, im pure anglo saxon' etc etc all had foreign dna.

noam wrote:
wowzers

im not getting worked up cos im playing the victim card

im getting angry at people's stupidity

i dont pretend to know what being english is, but i was born here, lived here all my life, my nationality is British and my ethnicity is mixed

anything else you wana know just ask

spacekid wrote:100% agree with Cleese. Although this doesn't only exist in London. Just look at any major city in this country - Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham etc. There are more people from other cultures/countries living in these cities than actual homegrown british people...... now i'm not popping off about all these different cultures but it's getting a little out of control and its not our fault but its the immigration laws of this country. We should never have joined the EU in my opinion. Thats basically said to all the smaller more deprived communities in Europe that they can come to our country and we will have open arms and a new life for them. They've realised this and taken advantage of it hence the over-run of all the other cultures. Lets face it its primarily people with little money looking for work coming to this country and moving to the big cities (because its where the money is) ... it's not multi-millionaires moving to this country. My opinion, our immigration laws should be like Australia's. If you have nothing to offer/provide this country - jog on.

Read a review that there are more British people moving to the country and out of the cities and last year just under a million british people emigrated .... their main motivation .... overcrowding. Now I can believe that.

On a totally different side note - This got me thinking about our police force in this country. Were the only country where our law/police force aren't really feared. Think about it ... you see some drunk louts fighting in the street and (if by luck) there was police there ..... the would still continue to FIGHT!! I mean in any other country like america for instance ... you see the police and fook me your on your toes. Or russia ... if you sneezed in the direction of a russian officer ... you'd get the beat down of your life. The police force over here have NO respect. Seriously twisted and failed government in this country. Probably why all these brits are emigrating each year.

I'm 100% british born btw.