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				Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:25 pm
				by boomnoise
				UFO over easy wrote:Yeah, but I think it'd be a mistake to see Burial's album purely as a continuation of ukg... there's a few big dubstep references in there - would the album have been made without the influence of early DMZ/kode 9 pieces?
who knows! it's continuation vs mutation innit. things aren't simply continued, innovation is injected, as are other influences, serving to change sound, let alone any conception of genre. i think this burial record comes more out of the dark ukg days and i don't think early dmz and kode9 productions have been crucial in it's production. 
people will 'get' this record and understand it without being familar with dubstep or without a predilection for it. That said it is obviously part of the dubstep spectrum, which is ultimately in flux and really still being defined now after 6 years or so. 
the dubstep template is so nebulous which makes it very difficult to conclude what would have happend with or without certain artists being part of it. Burial's  sound, for me, presents 'dubstep' with another fractal element...
I digress.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:25 pm
				by ufo over easy
				That's cool 

 I need 2-step education.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:33 pm
				by boomnoise
				Logos wrote:Leaving aside K-punk's value judgement about dubstep, which is a matter of opinion, he is right that the possible course we are actually experiencing - dubstep - is an exciting, but often quite narrow exploration of the possibilities of the jungle>garage legacy.   
The genius of Burial is his ability to articulate that which always seemed so close, but so far, in a lot of 2-step.
this is it for me. burial's music is something that could previously only have been imagined. it is exciting because it evokes so much; the possibilities and  phuture.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:34 pm
				by grievous_angel
				boomnoise wrote:the dubstep template is so nebulous which makes it very difficult to conclude what would have happend with or without certain artists being part of it. Burial's  sound, for me, presents 'dubstep' with another fractal element...
Same as kode 9 -- those tunes sound nothing like dubstep, while being vital and defining examples of the genre. 
Weird shit.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 3:38 pm
				by ufo over easy
				Grievous Angel wrote:those tunes sound nothing like dubstep, while being vital and defining examples of the genre. 
Awesome isn't it 

 First time I've grinned today!
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 4:05 pm
				by rich_c90
				boomnoise wrote:what if the late 90s London 2-step inhuman-feminine sound had continued to mutate without devolving into the sullen dead ends of grime and dubstep?"
that's an interesting proposition, no? taking out the value judgement i mean.
I dunno how to take it. I mean, mutation just means evolve - for better or worse - and i thinks it's crystal that dubstep and grime evolved out the ukg scene. Forgetting the bullshit about 'devolving' (just cos its stripped down in some respects doesn't mean its regressive!), I guess the point is there are always different ways things can evolve, and burial takes it somewhere somewhat different from everyone else. To me, thats what makes his music so inspirational (at least, thats one reason (he did it all on soundforge 
 
 
) But there will always be similiarities between burial and other dubstep artists cos they all evolved out of the same scenes.
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 9:05 pm
				by quiverpigeon
				[quote/] B: That’s south London, from high up. The signal, like a pirate signal above London, just floating in the air. That’s what I wanted. Epic… distant lights. I love this film called Nil By Mouth by Gary Oldman because it’s the only film I’ve ever seen anyone get London properly in it, which is just distant lights, down the end of your road. [/quote]
oh my days some brother should redo nil by mouth with a dubstep soundtrack... righteous
rich get on burial, drag him up by his wonderful ear and make him play for us sheffield soldiers in matilda social...
quiv
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 10:06 pm
				by rich_c90
				quiverpigeon wrote:rich get on burial, drag him up by his wonderful ear and make him play for us sheffield soldiers in matilda social...
I'd give my right arm to book burial, but from what i read, by his own admission he can't DJ... 
And as ever, great artists don't always make for great live shows... they do make for bare forum threads though. Maybe we should set up burialforum.com?
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sat Apr 15, 2006 11:26 pm
				by quiverpigeon
				could just stare at him i guess.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2006 11:02 am
				by rich_c90
				quiverpigeon wrote:could just stare at him i guess.
haha, "i love you and everything you have done"... not a good look fanboy
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 2:07 am
				by quiverpigeon
				can i carry your stuff for you?
i'm having a party back at mine, i was just wondering if...
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:42 am
				by donruba
				Where can I find and listen to Kode 9's set of Burial tunes on Breezeblock? It's not here in mixes on dubstepforum is it?
I'm kinda new to dubstepforum so sorry if I'm missing something obvious.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2006 11:43 am
				by kion
				
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed Apr 19, 2006 10:48 pm
				by Jubz
				This music takes me places.....
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:21 pm
				by j_j
				the 2 step mix of 'you hurt me ' is niiiiiceness !!!wicked tune!
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Thu Apr 20, 2006 4:34 pm
				by legba
				J_J wrote:the 2 step mix of 'you hurt me ' is niiiiiceness !!!wicked tune!
agreed. I was listening to version of the Blackdown 4Bristol mix asI was treking across town late last night, It sounded beautiful, real standout track
 
			
					
				
				Posted: Sat May 13, 2006 7:22 am
				by [b]racket
				Burial seriously twisted me out on a misty Saturday morning...blossom falling like snow.
Beautiful.
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Wed May 17, 2006 11:33 pm
				by jackquinox
				
			 
			
					
				
				Posted: Mon May 22, 2006 10:34 pm
				by bobbly wob
				nothing duff on here,quality control is tight from this man.feeling southern comfort+gutted at present. i think he listens to alot from the basic channel boys,prayer is ridiculous,forgive-mmmmm. best lp this year so far,this will def have a long shelf life, there's only good+bad music and people who like good music need to do themselves a favour and grab a copy of this!! 

 
			
					
				
				Posted: Tue May 23, 2006 1:55 am
				by pangaea
				What an album.
I only wish I could stop analysing it whilst listening as to how he did it all in Soundforge!  
 
 
 