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Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:30 pm
by magma
wubstep wrote:One part of me was like "Fvck yeah, squat fucking everything" and another part realises they're just going to tarnish the movement as a bunch of law-breaking, filthy squatters.
(Which they already did in Bristol yesterday, "Slum City" was the headline and the story continued onto page 3 where it was adjacent to the story about The Factory of 'hardcore squatters' being evicted)
Yeah, definitely got to be played right... they're asking people not to bring sleeping bags in order to try and assuage a bit of that sentiment, the idea is to set the building up as a "Bank of Ideas" and provide space for meetings, talks etc. The PR battle seems to be the main problem at the moment!
Whilst the country faces a housing crisis making it almost impossible to become a first-time buyer in cities and ever-increasing rents for those of us that are stuck "off the ladder", showing how much dormant space the banks are holding onto shines a slightly new light on the hardships different areas of society have due to the crisis. UBS were on the receiving end of billions of dollars of bailout money, but can apparently afford to sit on extremely valuable central, unused London properties.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:26 pm
by jameshk
Just got back from another incredible night at occupy. Truly inspiring stuff.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:31 pm
by magma
jameshk wrote:Just got back from another incredible night at occupy. Truly inspiring stuff.
I feel detatched this week... all my evenings have been full, so I've only been down for my daily sandwich on the steps. 1pm GA on Sunday, most definitely.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:40 pm
by jameshk
I'm not sure if ill still be there sunday morning, although it's a possibility. Gona definitely be up there tomorrow afternoon if your about.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:45 pm
by magma
jameshk wrote:I'm not sure if ill still be there sunday morning, although it's a possibility. Gona definitely be up there tomorrow afternoon if your about.
Will try... I've got my parents visiting, but quite fancy taking them for a walk around the camp if we've got time. I'll be on my best behaviour!
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:55 pm
by JBoy
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 1:58 pm
by jameshk
JBoy wrote:
I've got a job as a youth worker thanks.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:00 pm
by JBoy
No i wasnt having a go at anyone, just wanted to see what everyones reaction was to these two guys.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:03 pm
by jameshk
They obviously arn't part of the 99%...
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:16 pm
by magma
It's rather ironic that their existence proves you clearly don't have to be a jobless scrounger to hold a protest sign. I assume this was lost on them...
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:19 pm
by noam
magma wrote:It's rather ironic that their existence proves you clearly don't have to be a jobless scrounger to hold a protest sign. I assume this was lost on them...
or tell a funny joke to get laughed at by 1000's...
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:35 pm
by magma
noam wrote:magma wrote:It's rather ironic that their existence proves you clearly don't have to be a jobless scrounger to hold a protest sign. I assume this was lost on them...
or tell a funny joke to get laughed at by 1000's...
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 2:41 pm
by magma
jameshk wrote:I'm not sure if ill still be there sunday morning, although it's a possibility. Gona definitely be up there tomorrow afternoon if your about.
Lucky I rang my Dad to doublecheck plans... they're coming on SUNDAY, so I'll almost certainly be at Occupy for the 1pm GA tomorrow.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:22 pm
by kay
JBoy wrote:
My immediate reaction was: Get back to your fucking desk and stop wasting your company's money and ruining the economy, you egotistical pricks!
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:29 pm
by jameshk
TBH i think mine is better. im the tnuc with the 'this is a sign' placard.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:39 pm
by wub
jameshk wrote:TBH i think mine is better. im the tnuc with the 'this is a sign' placard.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 3:43 pm
by jameshk
wub wrote:jameshk wrote:TBH i think mine is better. im the tnuc with the 'this is a sign' placard.
Good fight sir.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:03 pm
by AllNightDayDream
magma wrote:
So it's better to sit on the internet not doing anything?
We're not asking to be taken seriously as individuals. We're asking for people in positions of power to take the issues we raise seriously and form policy from doing so. We're the people, not politicians... we're providing a space for those with the ability to represent us properly as those who currently have the jobs are woefully lacking. Union leaders are engaging, politicians are starting to engage (John McConnell had a letter published in the Independent this week), papers are getting on board (OccupyLSX took over the Guardian this week) and people are getting genuinely worried about where this is going to go.
Only time will tell the impact it has - it's incredibly young to be writing it off already... a couple of months for a political movement? It's really only just getting started... you're terribly impatient! It's already changed the global conversation more than any domestic protest I've ever seen... I can only infer that the insults directed at it are from people desperate to mask their guilt about not doing anything themselves but sit on the Internet bitching about people with a grain of enthusiasm left.
Maybe we are pathetic. At least we're not fucking apathetic.
What the movement has boiled down to is no different than moaning about society on the internet. Yes, it's only been a couple of months, yet the movement has no clear goal or aims, and ridiculous laundry lists like
this pop up from time to time. They really need to take a lesson from previous successful movements because at this rate it will just be something to laugh about next year, and that would be a shame. The right politicians are always there, there will always be individual people ready to make the people's case in washington, but the problem is getting them into congress (or parliament), getting them the cash they need to make their case.
You can't think of any domestic protests that have had more impact? Maybe in the UK, but in the states the tea party in particular has not only gained substantial grassroots support, but have raised large capital and impacted politics in a huge way. They rearranged a huge chunk of both the republican and democrat seats in congress. Every republican is trying to lick a piece of the tea party dick. That's REAL change.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:09 pm
by kay
Real change. Right. Right down the slippery slope that the republicans were probably already on anyway.
Re: Today im going to occupy st pauls to camp for the night.
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2011 10:13 pm
by tyger
AllNightDayDream wrote:The right politicians are always there, there will always be individual people ready to make the people's case in washington, but the problem is getting them into congress (or parliament), getting them the cash they need to make their case.
of course - why didn't i think of that? ... the only way to make politicians listen to anybody other than billionaires is for us to give them even more money!! ... finally, a battleground on which the super-rich can't beat us: £ 4 £, $ 4 $ ... genius