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luke snowbarger wrote:He worked hard. He played hard. He's extremely talented. Put underground and the past aside, Sonny set a new standard. It is what it is.

Lol. He set a new standard of what? Copying a style that had already been done a couple of years before him, just having Deadmau5 pushing his name?

I don't care either way for Skrillex, not a fan of his tunes, so I don't listen to them, but he's definitely not doing anything new.

Anyone else think it's weird when someone refers to a producer/dj by their real name when they aren't friends?

Riddles wrote:Anyone else think it's weird when someone refers to a producer/dj by their real name when they aren't friends?

That was in my head when I was writing that last post out.

Instead of getting involved is that skrillex bull shit heres my top 15: This is based on the ones that I've hyped before getting hold of the release (some still not released).

Joker - My Trance Girl
Mensah, Squarewave, Suhk Knight - Quad Bikes
Benga - Smack Your Bitch Up
Skream - Heavy Hitter
Joker - The Vision
Rustie - Ultra Thrizz
N Type and Surge - Mega-Tron
Dismantle - Computation
Jakes - Nightmares
AFK and DKS - Shining
Swindle - Mood Swings VIP
Swindle - Ring Worm
Gemmy — Too Far
Stinkahbell — Something in Your Eyes
Skream - Phat Head

Instead of getting involved is that skrillex bull shit heres my top 15: This is based on the ones that I've hyped before getting hold of the release (some still not released).

Joker - My Trance Girl
Mensah, Squarewave, Suhk Knight - Quad Bikes
Benga - Smack Your Bitch Up
Skream - Heavy Hitter
Joker - The Vision
Rustie - Ultra Thrizz
N Type and Surge - Mega-Tron
Dismantle - Computation
Jakes - Nightmares
AFK and DKS - Shining
Swindle - Mood Swings VIP
Swindle - Ring Worm
Gemmy — Too Far
Stinkahbell — Something in Your Eyes
Skream - Phat Head

Coopra's onto something here. Now that's a list

VIVEK - Sirens
Phaeleh - The Cold In You
Tunnidge - Tribe
Submotion Orchestra - Angel Eyes
Movado - Weh Dem A Do (Coki Remix)
Burial - Stolen Dog
Submotion Orchestra - All Yours (Jack Sparrow Remix)
Joker - My Trance Girl
Author - Green & Blue
Kromestar - You're Still On My Mind
Joker - The Vision (Let Me Breathe)
Katy B - Katy On A Mission
Jakes - Help Yourself
Phaeleh - Memories
Burial - NYC

That list was so much harder to make than I thought it would be. Here's to 2011...

Maccaveli wrote:Coopra's onto something here. Now that's a list


That list was so much harder to make than I thought it would be. Here's to 2011...

big up

Cornbreadddd wrote:

baddis98 wrote:

Thrilla wrote:but obviously skrillex appeals to a lot more people than burial. you can't deny skrillex's skill. nobody can.

you answered your own question. it's about what's the most appealing to the mainstream audience. most of the nominees and winners are pop music in their own categories (not pop as in genre, but as for "popular music"). that doesn't mean that everything nominated for a grammy is shit, but it definately doesn't mean that it's great quality either. awards like these are for people, who don't have the time or the ambition to get deeper into music and therefore always stay on the surface of things, which is fine when it works for them. but it's a fact that there are loads of producers and artists out there, who have a higher quality level than most of these pop artists, but still don't get recognised, because their music is too challenging to sell it to billions, who are satisfied with what the mainstream media channels serve them.
as for skrillex, i can't say i'm an expert in music theory or production or that i analyzed all of his tunes, but from what i heard, i can't recognize the genius and impeccable skills a lot of people claim. it just sounds flat and plastic to me, with no soul or swagga.

Fucking poetic, spot on, and couldn't have been stated better.

@hutyluty: I don't hate you, and I don't hope you die. I like you a lot.

Shut the fuck up ya bunch of bitches.

Some are looking for the chilly and sorrowful genre, other's may be looking for the speedy and more party friendly genre. That's where dubstep splits at in reality. Some like to chill out. Some like to rock out like there's no tomorrow. Music taste pretty much defines peoples personality and how far there personality goes in my opinion. I listen to everything such as...

Anathallo, Atmosphere, Asking Alexandria, Parkway Drive, Immortal Technique, Big L, Wu-Tang Clan, Rodney Atkins, Army Of The Pharaohs, Chronic Future, 311, Tomorrows Bad Seeds, Ballyhoo!, Pepper, Atreyu, In Flames, Northstar, Deltron 3030(Del Tha Funky Homosapien), Eyedea, Switchfoot, Soilwork, Kid Cudi, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Alesana, A Day To Remember, AFI, The Beatles, Common, Death Cab For Cutie, The Animals, Guns N Roses, Keane, The John Butler Trio, Nas, Talib Kweli, Veil Of Maya, I See Stars, Gorilla Zoe, Aphex Twin, , Goldfinger, Big Reel Fish, Limp Bizkit, Creed, Lifehouse, The Used, Shaggy, From First To Last, 9th Wonder, Miike Snow, Mutemath, Alkaline Trio, N.W.A, Say Anything, Anberlin, Pharoahe Monch, The Expendables, Eazy-E, Five Finger Death Punch, Curren$y, Nujabes, The Mamas and The Papas, 500 Miles to Memphis, Marcy Playground, Orgy, Linkin Park, Minus The Bear, The Human Abstract, Last Winter, Murs, Interpol, Cunninglynguist, The Green, Scroobius Pip, J BOOG, Matisyahu, The Classic Crime, Chemical Brothers, Frank Sinatra, Stone Temple Pilots, Mac Miller, John Mayer, Slipknot, Jacks Mannequin, Jeremy Ashida, Maroon 5, Simon & Garfunkel, Rob Zombie, Outkast, Failedflight.

I grew up listening to everything since I was little(From Britney Spears, Sum41, Pokemon First Movie CD, Happy Ass Trance To Biggie, 2pac, Poison, Born Of Osiris, Bob Marley, Wiz Khalifa, Tyga. <-- Example for shit you guys recognize. Music is my life. And if you'd appreciate it enough then you'll shut the fuck up and quit bitching about "dubstep" who the fuck cares what genre it is. The point.... is whichever artist whomever thinks is good.....is good. It makes them happy? Then it's good music.

For EDM I mostly listen to DoctorP/FluxPavilion/Skream&Benga(Old&NewShit)/Darude/DaftPunk/PrettyLights/ATB/DillonFrancis/AlvinRisk/Spor/FeedMe/Joker/Mantis/Figure/Flinch/Eptic/Chuckie/Avicii/Roksonix/PorterRobinson/12thPlanet/Nero/Skrillex/Hooky/Burial/Noisestorm/ZedsDead/BAR9/KnifeParty/Madeon/Funtcase/CookieMonsta/LiquidStranger/TheGlitchMob/Pendulum/MagneticMan/KillTheNoise/Rusko/Downlink/JamesEgbert/MordFustang/GarethEmery/DadaLife/Tomba/PaperDiamond/Netsky/Brown&Gammon/TMBA

As you can see most of the stuff for EDM ^ I like speedy & more party friendly cuz I love to dance my ass off while rolling and dance with some bitches. Then when I toke and chill with some buddies I tend to listen to more of the dark/chill vibes such as Burial/Joker/AphexTwin/Benga/OldFluxPavilion/OldRusko/MtEden/Hooky.

Yeah I love music so much that I'll make a huge list of it.

So to the point. My personal opinion I believe Skrillex stands out and makes some catchy melodic tunes with lyrics that you can sing-along to which relates to more of the mainstream audience of music. It's more happy sounding and it catches on more with girls compared to other "dubstep/brostep" tunes hence why it's more popular.

You have to admit that he's a mastermind at what he does. Making *annoying sounds listenable and his production/style is crazy but good. It may be too wild for the deep vibe - jungle/garage folks but it really truely is a creative good production. He's one-of-a-kind as of right now for what he does.

His production isn't good and isn't hard to make? Okay recreate it then and try to get as much listeners he has now without mass marketing such as Lady Gaga/Justin Bieber/ Lil Wayne/ Nicki Minaj.

Okay yeah his music might be "mainstream" now but was he like that when his albums came out? No. He got there himself. Every fucking song he made was pretty much a hit for the big audiences. And I started listening to dubstep since 09' when I was a Junior in high school. So I remember when this fool came out.

Scary Monsters & Sprites? Everyone knows that fucking song by heart and can hum it in there head even if you wanna hate it. It's there..
Cinema?
All I Ask Of You?
Bangarang?
First Of The Year(Equinox)?
Rock N Roll?
My Name Is Skrillex?

So why do people hate on Skrillex so much? If you have said this at least once in your head then it relates to you. But of course we won't know exactly who it is or admits to it.

1. People liked him at first but then too many people started liking him so they hate him now cuz of it. He's "mainstream" aka uncool now

2. I've been here since day 1 for dubstep. Yeah Zed Bias & Pinch are so sick. Who the fuck is Rusko, Emalkay. This is pretty tight actually not really sure about it though. Oh it's cool to see what Rusko is doing to dubstep I guess. Fast Forward to the end of 2010(Aug-Dec) Who're all these artists(DoctorP/Flux/Skrillex/Borgore) All hell nah ah nah bruh. What the fuck are they doing to dubstep. Fast forward to 2011. WOW dubstep went mainstream and it's not even "dubstep"(In veteran terms) WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW, WOW. FUCK SKRILLEX.

3. His image : "OMG HE WAS IN A EMO BAND? OMG LOOK AT HIS HAIR, OMG HE'S AMERICAN AND PEOPLE SAY HE'S DUBSTEP" Don't be a cigarette and judge on how he looks unless you really are that gay then okay type away. Some reason I always see America vs. UK on almost every youtube video no matter what it is from music to politics and on this forum...who cares where the music is from..really? He never said all his shit was dubstep. He pretty much is a mix of a lot of EDM genres. It's for the love of music. Who the fuck cares about genre. Don't be immature about things(Fanboy of whatever samething as Xbox 360 vs. PS3 vs. PC on youtube, Muscles vs. Imports for cars) Stfu and appreciate what you like.

4. It's a repeating-cycle of immature-insecure people that needs to stop. I've seen dumbass comments on youtube such as "Skrillex isn't even fucking dubstep. You guys need to listen to real dubstep like BAR9, Datsik, Bassnectar. <--- Duplicates of some dsf forum kids? Yeah it doesn't stop and it only gets worse.

I also never see anyone hate against "deep-vibes/jungle/garage type dubstep". So I'll be the annoying-prick aka the usuals I see on the forum.

1. "Oh my god....deep-vibe/jungle type dubstep isn't even good. It's pretty much a repetitive drum loop going across the whole track with a couple of water drops here and there with an atmosphere synth going across it"

2.@100man "Oh my god how do you not like Skrillex? Oh nevermind duh I can tell by your sig...Haha what a shit track you just got that sample from Vengeance packs and the only thing you did special in production was side-chain your piano-sounding synth to the kick, I'm so glad I don't live in the UK"

3. "Haha, You go to Burial shows? What you like to brock out with a bunch of dudes dressed in all T's and Cargo-pants? In a dark-room tripping on ketamine that probably smell like shit? Haha how gay is that. I'd rather be feeling good on some Molly or X and be dancing with some girls to some up-beat shit with lights flickering all over for some good ass visuals and seeing wild colors all around me"

So how do you guys like the Role-Reversal? It's all meant for exaggeration and shits & giggles. What I said above I admit I'm ignorant. BUT that's how it is when I don't hear much of it and no one bitching about it.

See what's like to see this everyday on almost every thread cuz people are annoying? I admit I'm a smartass and joke a shit ton but some shit gets old like the stuff I brought up above.

Seriously just open your eyes up and go to one of these massive shows. They seriously are sooooooo fun and epic. Bring a girl with you and roll together(Throw Your Gunfingers Up). The lights/girl/up-beatmusic/vibe from the massive amounts of people/how people are dressed all crazy is fun. It's a dreamworld really.

I've gone to a lot of shows from mellowed out reggae shit. To moshing and doing circle pits. To dreamworld huge "brostep" in your terms "raves"

The moral of the story is to promote music/share music/appreciate music/talk about upcoming events. All I see is bitching about dubstep. And being smartasses to people that need help. Not cool.

On a side-note. I might be going to Coachella later in April this year :] in California. Road-Trip! Go to events like these. I swear they are worth it!


So in the words of Parkway Drive "Cry Me A Fucking River & Drown In It Bitch" & also All American-Rejects ''Just Move Along, Move Along, Just To Make It Through" & the golden words from WAR "Why can't we be friends" Let's all live our happy lives and not bitch about every artist that comes & goes & rather appreciate and spread music that you like instead.

lol- mt eden

daeMTHAFKNkim wrote:

Cornbreadddd wrote:

baddis98 wrote:

Thrilla wrote:but obviously skrillex appeals to a lot more people than burial. you can't deny skrillex's skill. nobody can.

you answered your own question. it's about what's the most appealing to the mainstream audience. most of the nominees and winners are pop music in their own categories (not pop as in genre, but as for "popular music"). that doesn't mean that everything nominated for a grammy is shit, but it definately doesn't mean that it's great quality either. awards like these are for people, who don't have the time or the ambition to get deeper into music and therefore always stay on the surface of things, which is fine when it works for them. but it's a fact that there are loads of producers and artists out there, who have a higher quality level than most of these pop artists, but still don't get recognised, because their music is too challenging to sell it to billions, who are satisfied with what the mainstream media channels serve them.
as for skrillex, i can't say i'm an expert in music theory or production or that i analyzed all of his tunes, but from what i heard, i can't recognize the genius and impeccable skills a lot of people claim. it just sounds flat and plastic to me, with no soul or swagga.

Fucking poetic, spot on, and couldn't have been stated better.

@hutyluty: I don't hate you, and I don't hope you die. I like you a lot.

Shut the fuck up ya bunch of bitches.

you obviously didn't even understand what i was saying. my point wasn't even about skrillex, but about the grammies not being an indicator for quality. bitches? lol. gtfo clown!

hutyluty wrote:lol- mt eden

lol - the song in your sig.

Yeah I put shit like Mt. Eden on purpose cuz I have the balls to say what I enjoy in music and stand up for it. So what.

How can you not chill to this song while high? Reminds me of the summer nights years back. Who the fuck gives if it has 5mil plays and the other vid has 28mil. I'm not gonna hate it cuz it got big. If that's not the reason for you then please explain.

baddis98 wrote:

daeMTHAFKNkim wrote:

Cornbreadddd wrote:

baddis98 wrote:

Thrilla wrote:but obviously skrillex appeals to a lot more people than burial. you can't deny skrillex's skill. nobody can.

you answered your own question. it's about what's the most appealing to the mainstream audience. most of the nominees and winners are pop music in their own categories (not pop as in genre, but as for "popular music"). that doesn't mean that everything nominated for a grammy is shit, but it definately doesn't mean that it's great quality either. awards like these are for people, who don't have the time or the ambition to get deeper into music and therefore always stay on the surface of things, which is fine when it works for them. but it's a fact that there are loads of producers and artists out there, who have a higher quality level than most of these pop artists, but still don't get recognised, because their music is too challenging to sell it to billions, who are satisfied with what the mainstream media channels serve them.
as for skrillex, i can't say i'm an expert in music theory or production or that i analyzed all of his tunes, but from what i heard, i can't recognize the genius and impeccable skills a lot of people claim. it just sounds flat and plastic to me, with no soul or swagga.

Fucking poetic, spot on, and couldn't have been stated better.

@hutyluty: I don't hate you, and I don't hope you die. I like you a lot.

Shut the fuck up ya bunch of bitches.

you obviously didn't even understand what i was saying. my point wasn't even about skrillex, but about the grammies not being an indicator for quality. bitches? lol. gtfo clown!

I quoted you because you made a good point. I actually liked what you said lol. But yeah everyone that's talking shit such as myself is a bitch. Hope everyone reads my wall of text and gets over it.

Shed a new light not a new asshole in peoples lives.

daeMTHAFKNkim theres a thread for your whinging over who likes skrillex. Skrillex is doing his thing, in my opinion its terrible music, but im not gonna get into that here as theres a fucking thread for it somewhere else. However knowing your opinion on skrillex I would like to see your top 15...?

I know literally only 1 tune on that list

'cinema' was the number 1 dubstep track of 2011...? i don't even know what to say to that.

coopra wrote:daeMTHAFKNkim theres a thread for your whinging over who likes skrillex. Skrillex is doing his thing, in my opinion its terrible music, but im not gonna get into that here as theres a fucking thread for it somewhere else. However knowing your opinion on skrillex I would like to see your top 15...?

Don't get offended on what I posted people. It only affects me. No worries. Personal opinion. Love music. Post links for your 15 too cuz I'm lazy as f to type or copy & paste each song.

15. Figure - Must Destroy : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-5nUg3EvUS8 Some crazy shit you want to dance too.
14. Figure - Werewolf : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FUkLNi40Idg For throwing something out there that's unique from other artists
13. Flux Pavilion - Louder : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wqRBGFJy7g Bob your head too.
12. Roksonix - Madness : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj1L7La_sXM I love a lot of the funky ass sounds that come from Circus Records....I don't know what it is!
11. A DSF User- Noisestorm - Backlash :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4pgqDWdgas Love your tunes Noisestorm(Eoin) You're going to get big this year.
10. Skrillex - Cinema : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AyJyoiH5-k You're a Cinema....Action..Thriller...Global 2011 Memories =]
9. Eptic - Like A Boss : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOtxG-XO1hQ This song is repetitive but catchy
8. Alvin Risk - Diminishing Returns : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6H2BrbGDezI Makes me feel like I'm on drugs when I'm sober. Lazer Pew PEW PEW PEW PEW
7. Nero - Promises : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=llDikI2hTtk Catchy/ A lot of meaning for me. From experiences with a female..
6. Pretty Lights - I Know The Truth : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wCgxkQj_Qo A local in CO that's now famous.
5. Doctor P - The Struggle : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMTbch5mMtw Can't go wrong with the Docta.
4. Nero - Me And You : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE47er6qnqg Memories at Global Dance Festival @RedRocks with a girl =] First song Nero played when they got on. A lot of meaning in my opinion.
3. Shock-One : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgpLNml9vuQ Beautiful song of DNB going into dubstep/ Nice transition
2. Doctor P - Watch Out : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_yE1QxlKyU There are better songs by him of course but for me this is it. It just makes me mental! Loving the Chip-tune.
1. Brown & Gammon - Riddle Me This : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzb9x8Blbao Something about this tune has got my going...I think the funky-ness of it. I dunno.

KnifeParty/JamesEgbert/MordFustang/TMBA/Habstrakt/DillonFrancis/Madeon for 2011 shout-outs for EDM.

luke snowbarger wrote:I do feel like Sonny overshadowed a lot of talent. But don't bash him for making it. You just look ignorant, not smart. It's really not rocket science. He worked hard. He played hard. He's extremely talented. Put underground and the past aside, Sonny set a new standard. It is what it is.
Cinema was the top dubstep track of 2011, simply because it was the top dubstep track of 2011. End of story.

Trolololololol

Skrillex, Nero and Flux Pavillion...lol fuck off

Here is my 15 of 2011 in no order....

Pinch "Swish" (Deep Medi)

Biome "Space" (Black Box)

Biome "Propaganda" (Osiris)

Vivek "Soundman" (Deep Medi)

J:Kenzo "Ruffhouse" (Tempa)

J:Kenzo "The Roteks" (Tempa)

SP:MC "Cool Runnings" (Dub)

Icicle & Distance "Exhale" (Dub/Shogun Audio)

Distance "Meanstreak EP" (Chestplate)

SP:MC "Oh My Gosh" (Tempa)

Skream "Gritty" (Deep Medi)

Skream "Exothermic Reaction" (Nonplus)

Matt U "Empty Inside" (Osiris)

J:Kenzo "Kimura" (Not On Label)

SP:MC & LX One "Judgement" (Tempa)

can anyone tell me how to get that signature mt eden snare, whatever i do i cant come up with it.....their drums are just breathtaking...maybe the best ive ever heard

daeMTHAFKNkim wrote:

Cornbreadddd wrote:

baddis98 wrote:

Thrilla wrote:but obviously skrillex appeals to a lot more people than burial. you can't deny skrillex's skill. nobody can.

you answered your own question. it's about what's the most appealing to the mainstream audience. most of the nominees and winners are pop music in their own categories (not pop as in genre, but as for "popular music"). that doesn't mean that everything nominated for a grammy is shit, but it definately doesn't mean that it's great quality either. awards like these are for people, who don't have the time or the ambition to get deeper into music and therefore always stay on the surface of things, which is fine when it works for them. but it's a fact that there are loads of producers and artists out there, who have a higher quality level than most of these pop artists, but still don't get recognised, because their music is too challenging to sell it to billions, who are satisfied with what the mainstream media channels serve them.
as for skrillex, i can't say i'm an expert in music theory or production or that i analyzed all of his tunes, but from what i heard, i can't recognize the genius and impeccable skills a lot of people claim. it just sounds flat and plastic to me, with no soul or swagga.

Fucking poetic, spot on, and couldn't have been stated better.

@hutyluty: I don't hate you, and I don't hope you die. I like you a lot.

Everything you said

Gotta say mate, you're coming across like a top knobhead.

Nobody cares what you listen to, it doesn't make an opinion more valid.

Nobody actually listens to anyone if they say Skrillex's music is easy to make.

To say he got there himself when he was pushed massively by Deadmau5 is a bit of a joke. If you have one of the world's biggest dance artists bigging you up and putting stuff out on his label, you're gonna get popular. Fair does, he hasn't been "marketed" in the traditional sense as much as Lady Gaga, Beyonce, etc. but he still isn't nearly as big as those 2 artists. This is the age of "following" on the internet, and people will trust their favourite producer'/dj's opinions.

Catchy is subjective.

Listenable is subjective.

Nobody has to admit anything.

Scary Monsters & Sprites. I don't know if I've even heard that track, so certainly couldn't hum it.

People don't hate on Skrillex so much. It's largely blew out of proportion by people that think they have to defend him from a handful of people on a forum.

1. Some people didn't like him ever. Those people that don't like him anymore because he's mainstream? Their opinion isn't valid. By implying that everyone liked him at one point, you're no better than those you're having a go at.

2. You've been here since day 1 for dubstep? You said you started listening in 2009. There's a whole 7/8 (or maybe even more) years that you may have missed out on.

3. You say don't judge people, then use the terms "cigarette" and "gay" in a derogatory manner. Way to put your argument across in a mature manner. Lost any lingering respect I had for you there, because you're either a homophobe, or more likely I suspect, someone that had ran out of ways to justify your point.

4. It seems YOU could be insecure because of the massive diatribe you've written in defence of him. If you aren't insecure, accept that some people don't like somebody you do, and move on.

You also never see anyone hate against "traditional" dubstep? There's plenty around (youtube especially).

This doesn't happen on almost every thread whatsoever, a complete exaggeration, that is typical of people that slate DSF, but still come here every day.

Nobody has to go to any show they don't want to. I prefer to stand there with a good DJ spinning some tracks, get a skank on with a few beers, vibe, speak to some friends (And that includes girls too. Yes mate, they go to these nights too). A lot of people don't want lights or massive shows, or for things to be "epic".

In summary, your comment got you nowhere.

Mods, feel free to move this response to the Skrillex thread.

Big ups.