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Some people have to realise that the general listening public don't actually know what a VST plugin or a preset is.

I think the tune's bad. I'm a producer myself and I didn't know that it was a preset. Still doesn't hinder my judgement or blur my opinions on the track at all. Its a big big tune and I'm sure the majority of people who hear it on my shows or sets wouldn't disagree.

Large up Skream and 2Dee..... A big tune's a big tune.

Some of the best tunes in the whole history of music have been made recontextualising a pre-made loop.

Planet Rock anyone?

as a producer, i think the fact Skream took a simple preset and turned it into a fucking banger is amazing!

Plastician wrote:A big tune's a big tune.

YES.


YES



YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

exactly

Now can we stop worrying (and learn to love the bomb)?

gravious wrote:

Plastician wrote:A big tune's a big tune.

YES.


YES



YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYES

exactly

Now can we stop worrying (and learn to love the bomb)?

Nice reference.

forensix (mcr) wrote:I dont want to see producers getting overly obsessed with engineering (neuro step anyone ); of course i dont want to hear badly produced tunes but one of the reasons i got into dubstep was it's raw sound.

Word.

of course a big tune is a big tune no matter how it was made. i still think a bit of discussion "how" these big tunes are produced can't do any harm...

and you're all right by saying "in the end nobody will f-ing care how it was made but in the club it just sounds big and baangs the shit out of the speakers"...

still, (and this is only my personal opinion on a lot of current dubstep production) a lot of tunes just sound like tools, quick mixes, not like tunes that were crafted with every detail just right.... and yeah, some tunes don't need to take hours of production (you can make sick tunes in less than an hour if you are a skilled producer).

anyway, big tune, that's all.

Why are people moaning about this?????

2D is a big chune!!! Let it be so!

Big up Skream!

The framework for a big tune can be laid down in an hour but think about how much bigger it could be with a bit more time and dedication...That is a general point!!

Not much thinking outside the box goes on a lot of the time and this is probably why we see a lack of albums....I think when extra effort is put in it really shows....Distance, Boxcutter, Burial have all made lasting and very strong albums and the tunes all took time to develop rather than just throwing something down, exporting it and AIMing it to all their friends from Rinse (or whatever). The strucutre and development on Distance's album demonstrates perfectly how you can make a club banger track work in an album format where it will last longer and have sustained plays whereas Skream works well on a 6 track EP designed for 2 minute DJ mixes......All good but doesn't translate to album format (not forgetting albums is where the long term money is rather than 12").

As for the arguments about DnB being over engineered etc.....I think that Breakage, Paradox and Equinox have a far greater degree of soul than a lot of earlier dnb and some of Evol Intents tracks (red soil!) are more emotive than lesser engineered stuff. I don't buy into that argument at all....The One is sick but after 2 mins of the drop it is getting time to mix it, imagine if Mampi had developed it, variated it andengineered it into a masterpiece for the dancefloor and the ipod/headphones.

Jubscarz wrote:

dubwise_gamgee wrote:it kills me when i hear some cheap imitation of live brass, programmed via midi.. that's god awful.

Thats what its all about though, that is dubstep. I love the synthesised sound, Skream spoiled Rottan when he added the live flute.

O Rly? Gave me goosepimples I personally think most of his tracks are rubbish- but then, I think a lot of Dubstep (and more genres in general) by other producers are too- and Rutten & 2D show me the potential as the producer he does have. Yes, on some level the revelation that 2D's melody is a preset was disappointing. Would I still drop it if he gave me a copy tomorrow? Absolutely! (hint hint )

Shards wrote:

OI!

You owe me £79.99 for that

gravious wrote:

Shards wrote:

OI!

You owe me £79.99 for that

There's a rasta down my road that wants a word with you about copyright breaches, Gravious

gravious wrote:

Shards wrote:

OI!

You owe me £79.99 for that

Royalty-free innit

threnody wrote:As for the arguments about DnB being over engineered etc.....I think that Breakage, Paradox and Equinox have a far greater degree of soul than a lot of earlier dnb

I don't think they're the ones that are really heavy on the production though - it's the midrangey club bangers where people really spend days tweaking multiband compressors to get it as in your face as possible. (And yes, Equinox, Paradox and Breakage are bloody good. ) There are even people who wank on for hours about tape saturation and $4000 compressors and then make great soulful music. When it goes wrong is when loads of people writing essentially the same track (two step beat, reese, snare roll) but with slightly louder sounding production becomes a substitute for, y'know, actually coming up with some new ideas. Which isn't always the case in dnb, but it gets that way in some subgenres sometimes.

Oops, sorry, turned into a DnB rant, I'll go home now...

All about the remix! Get to know.....

http://dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=23414

forensix (mcr) wrote:Engineering doesn't make people dance and most people dont give a fuck about presets

QFT

I can't believe how much effort some of the guys here put in just to say that they don't like a fucking track.

Skream, release it and make some of us happy and get yourself some pocket money.

To the haters, you don't have to play/buy/listen (to) it so why don't you just shut up?

Thanks.

Good damnit, sometimes I wish I would have those kinds of problems you guys have.

Badder than a badman in badtown playing badmington.

I'm not a massive Skream fan but I thought this was the best tune he's done to date

What's with all this "boo hoo, it's cheating" bullshit? What about all these people using sine waves - it's been done guys use a new waveform ffs.

Fair play to him, I've never found a preset that was worth using without substantial tweaking and he's created a good tune, so maybe you should be shutting the fuck up yeah?

Parson wrote:

forensix (mcr) wrote:Engineering doesn't make people dance and most people dont give a fuck about presets

QFT

What does QFT mean?