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el-tel wrote:hahaha
you judge me yet you dont even know me!

I live in this country. The reason Ron Paul will not win the republican nomination is because most republicans do not identify with ron paul. The majority of ron paul supporters are independents or democrats. This is a fundamental flaw in trying to elect ron paul. He cannot get the republican nomination because most republicans do not like him.

No cheating

No conspiracy

Out of 10 republicans, only one prefers ron paul. Thats a numbers problem

While we're at it, my homie on FB sums it up perfectly

This is how he dupes marijuana activists, too; he says he's opposed to "the drug war" which is a federal Nixon-era policy. He doesn't come out and say that a good 40 out of 50 states would choose to be harsher on drugs if given their way, which is what he intends.

I really don't care whats in the Constitution. It was written over 200 years ago. It's not some magic document that knows exactly what's right for every situation. It needs to be re-written every 15 years or so.

SCope13 wrote:I really don't care whats in the Constitution. It was written over 200 years ago. It's not some magic document that knows exactly what's right for every situation. It needs to be re-written every 15 years or so.

you mean amended

The republican defeat this nov. will mark a change in american politics when they realize the population who was so easily coaxed has aged and died off.
We no longer let the powers that be sensationalize themselves to us with empty talking points and conservative values.. we need results, and frankly the campaigning on the repub's part has been downright insulting to the populace.

they do nothing at their debates besides compete over who can hate obama more (without explaining themselves), and then who can attack one another hardest for not hating obama enough. It's like a really bad movie about stupid, dishonest politicians, only its real life.

pkay wrote:

el-tel wrote:hahaha
you judge me yet you dont even know me!

I live in this country. The reason Ron Paul will not win the republican nomination is because most republicans do not identify with ron paul. The majority of ron paul supporters are independents or democrats. This is a fundamental flaw in trying to elect ron paul. He cannot get the republican nomination because most republicans do not like him.

No cheating

No conspiracy

Out of 10 republicans, only one prefers ron paul. Thats a numbers problem

Yeah but what about all the cheeeeeatiiiiiiiiiing...

I like Ron Paul. He (at least seems) honest and straight forward about what he wants, and doesn't seem to waiver, which is more than you can say about most politicians. But I DO NOT want to see him as president. I just think a lot of his policies are great in theory but just don't work in the real world. And he doesn't stand a snowballs chance in hell at winning the primary, let alone the general election.

Today wrote:The republican defeat this nov. will mark a change in american politics when they realize the population who was so easily coaxed has aged and died off.
We no longer let the powers that be sensationalize themselves to us with empty talking points and conservative values.. we need results, and frankly the campaigning on the repub's part has been downright insulting to the populace.

they do nothing at their debates besides compete over who can hate obama more (without explaining themselves), and then who can attack one another hardest for not hating obama enough. It's like a really bad movie about stupid, dishonest politicians, only its real life.

Nothing new there though IMO. The past few elections have been filled with candidates bashing others instead of showcasing what they want to do (both democrats and republicans do this). It's like they're saying, "you don't have to vote for me, just vote against the other guy".

Today wrote:The republican defeat this nov. will mark a change in american politics when they realize the population who was so easily coaxed has aged and died off.
We no longer let the powers that be sensationalize themselves to us with empty talking points and conservative values.. we need results, and frankly the campaigning on the repub's part has been downright insulting to the populace.

they do nothing at their debates besides compete over who can hate obama more (without explaining themselves), and then who can attack one another hardest for not hating obama enough. It's like a really bad movie about stupid, dishonest politicians, only its real life.

keep dreaming... it just means the pendulum is swinging left still

the 60's and 70's thought the exact same thing and then the moral majority popped up in the 80's.

It will happen again

maybe if anyone with the Dems cares, they will push terrific education reform and it won't happen again....

hey, you did tell me to keep dreaming, right.. ;p




but seriously, aren't you leaving out one minor difference between then and now.... some kind of network, with nearly instant and ubiquitous access, that may or may not have aided a certain mid-east political ousting ... and that allows unprecedented interchanging of data and information...

pkay wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

SCope13 wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

capo ultra wrote:I think people are reading this as ''who do you want to win?'' not ''who do you think will win?''

There is not a chance in hell of Ron Paul getting elected

Ron Paul vs Obama would surely go to Ron Paul, because he would get both support from a bunch of occupiers, the tea party and a load of independents. That and the anti-war vote. It's getting the nomination that is actually tricky. Which I still think will go to Romney, but CAN go to Paul. It's not gonna go to Santorum or Gingrich, the polls show it and the GOP is terrified of risking that against Obama.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to the polls.

I don't think you have? Ron Paul consistently does best matched against Obama, even better than Romney (though not that different). And Paul is leading on Gingrich and Santorum with delegates.

False... either you are misinformed or you are making things up like most Ron Paul supporters


Paul vs Obama.... Paul loses accross the board.... margin much closer for romney and has romney winning some
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls ... -1750.html


And as far as delegates... ron paul is in fourth.... gingrich has twice as many delegates.... santorum 4 times as many.
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/primaries/delegates


PLEASE DO YOUR CANDIDATE A FAVOR AND STOP MAKING THINGS UP. IT DOES NOT HELP YOUR CANDIDATE TO MAKE THINGS UP THAT CAN BE REFUTED BY USING GOOGLE AND 30 SECONDS OF YOUR TIME

The delegate data is based on the idea that the delegates will vote according to the strawpoll. This is bullshit and it's widely known that Ron Paul supporters have an edge over the other at the convetion based on the fact that they stick around after the primaries/caucuses the most to become delegates when most voters leave. Like for example in Iowa, no delegates were actually allocated yet. They were only pre-emptively distributed over the canidates, but what they will actually vote at the convention is up in the air. Actually check out some of the additional information. It basically amounts to 'we've pulled those numbers from our ass'.

And those RCP polls don't include a number of polls that show Ron Paul winning or tied. Besides, Paul is still more consistent against Obama than Santorum (who's finally got his actual 15 minutes but will plummet, he already has after the last debate) and Gingrich.

SCope13 wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

SCope13 wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

capo ultra wrote:I think people are reading this as ''who do you want to win?'' not ''who do you think will win?''

There is not a chance in hell of Ron Paul getting elected

Ron Paul vs Obama would surely go to Ron Paul, because he would get both support from a bunch of occupiers, the tea party and a load of independents. That and the anti-war vote. It's getting the nomination that is actually tricky. Which I still think will go to Romney, but CAN go to Paul. It's not gonna go to Santorum or Gingrich, the polls show it and the GOP is terrified of risking that against Obama.

You obviously haven't been paying attention to the polls.

I don't think you have? Ron Paul consistently does best matched against Obama, even better than Romney (though not that different). And Paul is leading on Gingrich and Santorum with delegates.

I thought you were referring to the primary, in which Santorum and Romney are both well ahead. Doesn't matter though, because like pkay showed, what you said is false anyway.

And I really don't understand all the support for Paul from the left. Yeah, his views on foreign policy and civil liberties are awesome, but his economics are just soo terrible. Would make the inevitable collapse of the US economic system come even sooner.

As opposed to Obama, who is terrible on everything. (though Paul's economics are great, but whatever).

You're fucking dillusional.

I understand supporting your candidate but being realistic, factual, and not getting elected is far more constructive than making shit up and still not getting elected

obama = one of the most successful bull shit artists of the century so far.

^ this


i don't know how i feel about Mr. Paul, but i have a feeling he is the only one who could actually beat Obama, just based on the fact that he would split some Obama supporters whereas the other Repubs would not.

pkay wrote:You're fucking dillusional.

I understand supporting your candidate but being realistic, factual, and not getting elected is far more constructive than making shit up and still not getting elected

It's not my fault that you didn't bother to read up on the GOP's primary rules this year and didn't bother to check out the additional info on your own link.

Genevieve wrote:

pkay wrote:You're fucking dillusional.

I understand supporting your candidate but being realistic, factual, and not getting elected is far more constructive than making shit up and still not getting elected

It's not my fault that you didn't bother to read up on the GOP's primary rules this year and didn't bother to check out the additional info on your own link.

my link is a projection of what will happen based on humans who cast initial votes relative to their states primaries.

What you're hoping for is that you will have enough turnout to manipulate the system in favor of ron paul which. Your claims that he will win is based on no votes, no evidence, it is based on a hair brained scheme that you 'hope' will turn out in favor of you.

This has been addressed by many folks in the past informing ron paul fans that despite technically getting some delegates in some states, Ron Paul supporters are not nearly close to getting the 1000+ delegates needed as the republican party in general is aware of how delegates are claimed.

So why you think you're pulling a fast one, you're not.

I will gladly wager $1000 on this fact. The loser donates $1000 to the charity of the winners choice on behalf of dubstepforum.com

pkay wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

pkay wrote:You're fucking dillusional.

I understand supporting your candidate but being realistic, factual, and not getting elected is far more constructive than making shit up and still not getting elected

It's not my fault that you didn't bother to read up on the GOP's primary rules this year and didn't bother to check out the additional info on your own link.

my link is a projection of what will happen based on humans who cast initial votes relative to their states primaries.

What you're hoping for is that you will have enough turnout to manipulate the system in favor of ron paul which. Your claims that he will win is based on no votes, no evidence, it is based on a hair brained scheme that you 'hope' will turn out in favor of you.

This has been addressed by many folks in the past informing ron paul fans that despite technically getting some delegates in some states, Ron Paul supporters are not nearly close to getting the 1000+ delegates needed as the republican party in general is aware of how delegates are claimed.

So why you think you're pulling a fast one, you're not.

I will gladly wager $1000 on this fact. The loser donates $1000 to the charity of the winners choice on behalf of dubstepforum.com

When did I say he will win?

If I was a conservative, I would love Obama. They hate him because he's black and have made up this socialist-izan-dictator-extreme islamist-Kenyan man that doesn't actually exist. Obama is right of center. He is by no means left wing.

If I was a conservative, I would love Obama. They hate him because he's black and have made up this socialist-izan-dictator-extreme islamist-Kenyan man that doesn't actually exist. Obama is right of center. He is by no means left wing.

Genevieve wrote:

pkay wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

pkay wrote:You're fucking dillusional.

I understand supporting your candidate but being realistic, factual, and not getting elected is far more constructive than making shit up and still not getting elected

It's not my fault that you didn't bother to read up on the GOP's primary rules this year and didn't bother to check out the additional info on your own link.

my link is a projection of what will happen based on humans who cast initial votes relative to their states primaries.

What you're hoping for is that you will have enough turnout to manipulate the system in favor of ron paul which. Your claims that he will win is based on no votes, no evidence, it is based on a hair brained scheme that you 'hope' will turn out in favor of you.

This has been addressed by many folks in the past informing ron paul fans that despite technically getting some delegates in some states, Ron Paul supporters are not nearly close to getting the 1000+ delegates needed as the republican party in general is aware of how delegates are claimed.

So why you think you're pulling a fast one, you're not.

I will gladly wager $1000 on this fact. The loser donates $1000 to the charity of the winners choice on behalf of dubstepforum.com

When did I say he will win?

ok amend the bet. I bet $1000 that Ron Paul will lose the delegate count to both newt gengrich and rick santorum final tally all said and done