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There are two arguments here: one about the music and one about the context.

I'm a massive Aaliyah fan, and yeh Drake has been on sum hot riddims but no matter how good the 'album' is Aaliyah herself has no control over it and that makes me feel uncomfortable. If she was alive do you think she would be in any way associated with Young Money?? Doubt it.

Aaliyah was always v careful about who she collaborated with (post- R-Kelly!) and just by association Drake is already muddying her legacy.

>And 'producer' is a pointless term in hip-hop. It usually means 'dude who's making money off of the record'
actually producers produce the record. so... yeah.

>hip hop's burial
you gotta be fucking kidding me

>Man's an Aaliyah fan, and has the money to make an album with her. I would too.
>Make an album with her


She's fucking dead you twat.

mrdii wrote:I haven't read this thread but what does it mean that Drake is 'producing' the album?

Does it mean he basically gets to over-see the project and bring in his own producer friends (e.g. 40) to add beats to the acapellas available? And if so how does that make him the albums producer? Sorry to sound pedantic but shouldn't his title be something like 'project manager' and not producer?!

Anyway, I've heard the first song and it's good for what it is. I'm not really a fan of Drake but his style/beat selection seems suited for this kind of project.

Producer's a pretty general term, but yeah, I'd guess what he actually means is "Executive Producer"... i.e. he'll shape how he wants it to turn out and choose the actual producers for each song rather than just rocking up to the studio and doing what he's told to by Birdman.

If she was alive do you think she would be in any way associated with Young Money?? Doubt it.

I don't. This is Aaliyah we're talking about, not Lauryn Hill or Erykah Badu. Aaliyah was always a pop star. She's one of my favourites, but she made pop. Pretty straight pop at that. She'd be working with whomever would keep her relevant.

I'm just glad Timbland isn't doing it.

And this is from the biggest T fan during that era, but to be brutally honest, he would suck so bad right now. He's gone Black Eyed Peas production-wise, while 40 is closer to his original "Aaliyah-era" sound.

I don't mind if Missy's on it though, they'll do stuff to her voice to make it sound cool & fit.

magma wrote:

If she was alive do you think she would be in any way associated with Young Money?? Doubt it.

I don't. This is Aaliyah we're talking about, not Lauryn Hill or Erykah Badu. Aaliyah was always a pop star. She's one of my favourites, but she made pop. Pretty straight pop at that. She'd be working with whomever would keep her relevant.

My point is not about whether Aaliyah made 'pop' or not (Lauryn Hill's Doo Wop is 'pop' btw), which is a dumb argument, my point is that as an artist she was quite principalled in terms of:
(a) who she worked with (a v close knit group without many outside collaborators)
(b) her content (not overtly talking about money or sex) and
(c) her image (not highly sexualised)

These principals are (part of) the reason she is so respected and has such an enduring legacy.

Obviously it's your opinion but to say Aaliyah 'is a pop star', ergo she would probably be working with Young Money today is a bit of a jump.

I dunno mate...have you heard 'Rock The Boat'??

magma wrote:she made pop. Pretty straight pop at that

Really? How old are you fam?

So explain to me how this:

compares to the biggest selling single of the same year?



http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top- ... ?year=1996

herbs wrote:I dunno mate...have you heard 'Rock The Boat'??

Why I said "overtly"..

People getting far too worked up about it.

I'm just gonna wait and listen to it, and I'll buy it if I like it. I guess if you don't like the idea, don't buy it.

garethom wrote:

Laszlo wrote:@Garethom - I have never heard a Drake tune. Could you, as a Drake fan, please post his best tune so I can reevaluate him?
I have stupidly prejudged him based on the big ghost chronicles.

Marvin's Room maybe?



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Hmm based of this I may have to look up his stuff as Ill probably like it. Ive only heard that, a chopped and screwed remix of take care and Crew love out of all his stuff.

dreamizm wrote:

magma wrote:she made pop. Pretty straight pop at that

Really? How old are you fam?

So explain to me how this:

compares to the biggest selling single of the same year?



http://www.bobborst.com/popculture/top- ... ?year=1996

Really?

I'm 30; I was buying Aaliyah records when I was a teenager because they were aimed at me then. I love Aaliyah... almost as much as I love early TLC. Coincidentally, I had the OIAM album on a couple of nights ago... if you were on my Facebook, you'd probably notice that I play 4 Page Letter more than is healthy for a man my age.

But come on... pop doesn't, hasn't and never will have a single sound. Just because the most popular single of 1993 was Meat Loaf doesn't mean that Nirvana, 2 Unlimited, Celine Dion and Gabrielle didn't release pop singles that were entirely different in the same year. What a ridiculous thing to say. The "masses" can cope with more than one type of record at once.

One In A Million (as an album and a single) was expensively produced, aimed at teenagers and sold in its millions... it's a pop album just like TLC - crazysexycool was a pop album. It's a fucking brilliant pop album, but it's pop... you really can't argue it any other way.

Lauryn made plenty of pop, I didn't say she didn't (Badu has as well - On & On is pop, IMHO)... but she was also a creative genius with a serious social conscience. Aaliyah was never going to try to write Mystery Of Iniquity or I Get Out... you're hyping Aaliyah waaaayyy above her station here.

Pop isn't a dirty word.

Edit: Aaliyah was all about keeping her career moving as well - she was an astute businesswoman... yeah, she did it in ways that didn't offend her fanbase (or their record-buying parents), but come on... would you sign up for Romeo Must Die if you weren't just looking for a pay-out? You're second guessing her more than me here... I have no idea what she'd be doing now, but I doubt she'd be too snooty to work with successful musicians like YMCMB (especially when plenty of "respected" musicians these days are happy to)... I imagine her sound would've changed with the scene's sound a fair bit... either that or she'd have slipped into obscurity like most of the other RnB acts from her era have.

But yeah, I mean, I don't know her brain... neither do you...

Her acting was better than her music

dreamizm wrote:

FUCKING TUNAGE


=/

LACE i am dissapoint

magma wrote:

Genevieve wrote:So? He's still milking it. In a way this is almost worse. He's a 'fan', but he's using his cash and hookups to 'collab' with someone who's dead and has NO possible opinion on it.

Fixed.

Get over it, Genevieve. She's dead. Dead people find it very hard to get annoyed.

I am over it. If you don't want me to comment on it, why do you engage me? I'm merely stating that it's disrespectful to the dead if you're a supposed fan. I'm not saying it shouldn't get released, I'm not saying I won't dig the tunes or not even listen to it. I don't fucking care. It's none of my business But:

IT'S A DISCUSSION FORUM. PEOPLE DISCUSS THINGS. SOMEONE SAID IT'S THE SAME AS SAMPLING AND THAT PEOPLE SHOULDN'T GET UPSET, I (IN A DISCUSSION) SAID WHY IT WASN'T THE SAME AS SAMPLING AND WHY IT IS DISRESPECTFUL.

So maybe you should get over the fact that I believe something different from you or that I'm answering people who engage me?

magma wrote:

Genevieve wrote:And 'producer' is a pointless term in hip-hop. It usually means 'dude who's making money off of the record'. Then there's 'executive producer' who probably never evden entered the studio while it was being recorded.

Blimey.... just.... well... I'm just going to leave now.

Hahaha cute. Most 'producer' or 'executive producer' credits in hip-hop have nothing to do with who made the beat. At least on mainstream hip-hop records. It's usually the one who thought it was a good idea to buy the beat off of someone or who grinlit an idea. You know, like fucking Diddy. Timbaland's been doing it more and more lately too.

There ARE hip-hop producers who produce great beats, and some on mainstream records of course. It's just in this day and age, going by the 'producer credits' on albums when it's released in the top 40 is kinda pointless and I wouldn't put too much stock in them.

.....Unless you want to believe that Suge Knight co-produced the Chronic.

Genevieve wrote:
.....Unless you want to believe that Suge Knight co-produced the Chronic.

I don't want to live in a world where hanging Vanilla Ice
out of a 10th storey balcony isn't considered co-production.

jazzamataz wrote:

Genevieve wrote:
.....Unless you want to believe that Suge Knight co-produced the Chronic.

I don't want to live in a world where hanging Vanilla Ice
out of a 10th storey balcony isn't considered co-production.

+1

ketamine wrote:Nobody was doing this style before 40

aren't you the same dude who hates wutang? please shut up

odd that people hate on drake, yet find death grips so enthralling

magma wrote:
Pop isn't a dirty word.

aaliyah is some of the best