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Ada wrote:Who cares if the arrangement or sound design is advanced as shit when there are no emotions? "Derp derp no arrangement derp no music derp".. Good music is not defined by arrangement, sound design or "bass lines".

I love Philip Glass for instance. He made some of my favourite music ever.. there are no insane arrangements or bass lines there.

I agree with you, for instance Different Trains by Steve Reich is one of the most powerfully emotional pieces of music I've ever heard, but I don't think you can attribute the emotion to the arrangement... it has much more to do with the constant rhythm and pulse throughout the piece and the mood created by the chords and samples (and of course, what the piece is about).

Anyway minimalist music is a good example of why music doesn't have to be complex in order to be good or impact a listener in a profound way. But I don't think anyone was actually trying to argue that point anyway...

Where do we go from here?
I do what I do cause it's what I enjoy.. but a part of me wishes I could make these 'dancefloor' 'pop-tunes..
Why? Because i'd love to play out and have people dance and feel the music..
How does one get to that point without confining oneself to the cliche of noise out right now?

Gurnumsbug wrote:Where do we go from here?
I do what I do cause it's what I enjoy.. but a part of me wishes I could make these 'dancefloor' 'pop-tunes..
Why? Because i'd love to play out and have people dance and feel the music..
How does one get to that point without confining oneself to the cliche of noise out right now?

Who says you can't find a happy medium? Put your own spin on more mainstream dancefloorey stuff? Or produce both poppy stuff and more eclectic stuff. Would you enjoy doing poppy stuff as much as you enjoy doing your own thing?

^I feel like I'm constantly reading articles about clubs kicking DJs off the decks for playing shit that doesn't fit the formula? Is there a happy medium any more?

I don't really know. I hope there still is.

the only clubs that do things like that seem to be $45 joints in miami and vegas- ie. not where the #truhedz party.

You can still make stuff which isnt noticeably dancefloory or poppy and get booked if ur good enough i think. once you get to a certain stage you can make anything and people will dance i reckon.

^Yea, I have no idea. I haven't gone out to hear a DJ since I stopped going to our local weekly last year...which I guess is falling a part now because it's mostly young people coming to dance and they don't like what the older DJs spin, so the promoter tries to get younger DJs but they are all terrible, lol.

hutyluty wrote:in miami

I'm so embarrassed for my city right now.

ye sometimes i forget how lucky i am living here- like on a weekend i can normally go see someone housey, some techno or something completely off the wall- i mean even on holiday i got to see xxxy and untold in barcelona lol.

I feel sorry for all you americans

Triphosphate wrote:

hutyluty wrote:in miami

I'm so embarrassed for my city right now.

im completely generalising lol, i might be way off- its just the kind of rep your city has i think

Yea, sounds like something that would happen in South Beach. We actually have a ton of great Techno, House and DnB DJs in my area...but they hardly get booked anymore because no one wants to hear what they are playing. You can fill a night or party easily around here, you just have to have all Beatport Top 10 DJs. The kids around here seriously wouldn't care if 3 DJs in a row spun the same fifteen songs over and over.

Generalizing or not, you're right. A couple months ago DJ Shadow got kicked off the decks here in miami at mansion because he snuck a couple footwork tracks into his set. I don't like footwork (at all), and I'm a strong believer that a DJ needs to read his audience and footwork just doesn't have a strong following here in in miami. I have mixed feelings because he was too stubborn to give the audience what they wanted, but at the same time kicking a veteran DJ off the tables is a lack of respect. I dunno. I'm still embarrassed by my city. Like fragments said: "the kids around here wouldn't care if 3 DJs in a row spun the same 15 songs over and over"

I'm just gonna leave this here

http://stoneyroads.com/why-beatports-cu ... s-failing/

Triphosphate wrote:I'm just gonna leave this here

http://stoneyroads.com/why-beatports-cu ... s-failing/

You fucking serious? It is all exactly the same. If you didn't know what it was it'd sound like one song.

fragments wrote:

Triphosphate wrote:I'm just gonna leave this here

http://stoneyroads.com/why-beatports-cu ... s-failing/

You fucking serious? It is all exactly the same. If you didn't know what it was it'd sound like one song.

To play devil's advocate, as someone mentioned in the comments, the tracks aren't played back to back to back for an hour set. So ya they sound the same but they do their job tearing up a dancefloor when mixed in at the right time.

This also isn't anything new, brostep, dungeon, trap, neurofunk, and i wont even touch minimal genres like techno and deep house literally all sound the same within their genres, and the DJ sets sound more like that mashup than any bigroom house DJ's set does.

I dunno man, I've listened to a lot of dance music mixed together in my day. This sounds particularly samey. But to be fair it's only a few tracks and a just a little bit of each track.

I still greatly dislike this kind of dance music, so I'm biased anyway.

(still seems slightly more suspect than what I'm used to...)

Oh I'm not denying they sound the same, they all follow the same formula and it's gotten a bit ridiculous. I'm just confused as to why there is just now a huge fuss over it when entire subgenres have sounded 'samey' before. You could do the same mashup with 16 songs from the dubstep top 100, or from a youngsta set. Except those would more accurately represent what a dubstep set would sound like moreso than this represents some house DJ's set.

Huts wrote: Except those would more accurately represent what a dubstep set would sound like moreso than this represents some house DJ's set.

This get's closer to the problem I have with Beatport Top 100 that I have trouble expressing.

Have ya'll heard of ProducerFactory.com where you can buy all the rights to pre-produced tunes? It'll be the downfall of everything we hold dear....

Huts wrote:Oh I'm not denying they sound the same, they all follow the same formula and it's gotten a bit ridiculous. I'm just confused as to why there is just now a huge fuss over it when entire subgenres have sounded 'samey' before. You could do the same mashup with 16 songs from the dubstep top 100, or from a youngsta set. Except those would more accurately represent what a dubstep set would sound like moreso than this represents some house DJ's set.

those tunes are not house, that is not what house is lol

I've noticed some people creating DSF accounts just for the purpose of posting on how they can get a reese bass like Koan Sound or KTN and never come back when they get their answer. I'd like to admit I did the same when I wanted to learn a few tips on Drum & Bass but instead of hanging out all day on the Growl bass or Reese bass thread like some people do, I decided to post on some other place like the SNH.