Re: Vengeance Dubstep Samples
Posted: Thu Nov 21, 2013 1:19 am
I got you my dude. Custom made ish.
1st bolded:SunkLo wrote:I wasn't implying you were running away from the argument, I was implying you were running away from the gauntlet nwjeez threw down.
Are those producers more talented than me? At making club bangers maybe. I could probably school most of them in a producing from scratch competition though. No presets, no premade samples, etc. They also make music that I strongly hate though, so it's apples to oranges. They are standing out more than I am, of course. Much like that drunk guy that likes to stand on tables at parties. Not my style.
Ignoring the fact that what you've stated is pure speculation, I would love to see you go head to head with Sub Focus in a producing from scratch contest. Would love it.
2nd bolded:
This is not a valid analogy and is just more elitism.
The most important thing to take away from this quoted bit is that earlier you were mocking those producers, and now you're saying "Oh sure maybe they're better at making club bangers than I am, but...
You're inconsistent, SunkLo.
And there are many, but no, all it would take is any of the names on the list I gave you. Knife Party is not a beatport wannabe.Are Vengeance samples ONLY used by beatport wannabes? No of course not, all it would take for that to be untrue would be a single person who's not making that kind of music.
Or because they're actually good, and the producers like the way they sound, ...I'm sure there's people out there who use them out of habit or laziness or because they heard they were good and don't really give a fuck, etc.
Yes it is. Here's why:But I can make generalizations. And it isn't that absurd of a generalization to say that a lot of people who are too lazy to make their own drum sounds are also probably too lazy to make their own synth patches.
That's faulty logic, actually. It's the "if you like pre-made yadda yadda, then you like pre-made such-and-such too."If we look at things logically, why would pre-made samples appeal to someone who likes to craft their own sounds?
A proper analogy for your argument is: "Why would pre-made hot sauce appeal to someone who enjoys cooking? They should surely want to make their hot sauce from scratch if they like to craft their own meals."
Who wants to mangle things beyond recognition?If I'm just gonna mangle things beyond recognition, why would I fork out money for Vengeance samples when I can just synthesize or sample something for free?
There is no truth in what you're saying. No logic.I'm sorry if your butt got hurt but it's silly to deny the kernel of truth in what I'm saying.
I never claimed to know who the Vengeance samples are targeted at, but I'll tell you what -- it's probably not those people. Because those people are the ones likely to pirate them.Like I said, if you wanna be like skrillex and avicii et al.[READ: MASSIVELY SUCCESSFUL, NICE PEOPLE, HAVE THEIR OWN UNIQUE SOUND] then you'll probably like Vengeance samples. All the power to you. But you can't try to play both sides of the fence and claim that these overprocessed samples aren't specifically targeted at people who just wanna produce by numbers.
Regardless, I'm not going to make that point the basis of my argument, which is what you're trying making it sound like I was doing in order to claim that I'm "playing both sides of the fence."
You're not a better producer than Sub Focus, Skrillex, Knife Party, or any of that lot. And you're not more prominent than any of them.
None of the top producers are chastising beatport wannabe scrubs for using Vengeance samples. Only forum jockeys like you.
As soon as I posted those links showing all the producers that use Vengeance samples, your claim was proven wrong. You can't attempt to mask that by changing your claim last minute. It was never about who the samples are targeted at -- that's a red herring.
I'm not offended by anything you posted, you're making up a narrative to throw a personal jab at me and that's just childish.Maybe you're in denial about what kind of producer you or your heroes are and that's why you get offended. Not my problem.
Additionally, I have 0 interest in composing a 4 bar drum loop to prove that I'm a better producer than you are when that's not the topic of discussion. If my argument was "Fuck you SunkLo, I'm a way better producer than you are," then maybe I'd be interested in such a game. But that's not the argument, so don't you pretend like I'm tucking my tail between my legs for not seriously addressing some dude's inane post.
You're fucking finished, man.
