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Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.Perfecture wrote:Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.
Fully agree with this, especially having grown up in a culture where the concept of "respect your elders" is utterly ingrained. It's complete and utter bollocks to respect someone just because they're old. Plenty of elderly people are assholes and this cultural bent simply lets them get away with shit. I'll treat everyone with a basic level of courteous respect, it's up to them to earn more.Riddles wrote:why does age demand respect? I have the same amount of respect for everyone when I meet them, then they can gain it or lose it based on my interactions with them.
From my experience, a lot of scientific literature is impenetrable not by design or because the academics want to keep the knowledge within their rarefied domains. It's more due to them having poor communication skills and a failure to appreciate that the purpose of publishing is to disseminate knowledge to everyone. Oftentimes they may not be writing in their first language either. And in some cases, writing quality can be so poor that even those skilled in a given field can find it difficult to work out what is being said.TheIntrospectionist wrote:At the moment I feel strongly about echoing the sentiments of Kate Mill's response which I labelled as one of my favorites in the original post (Only "scientists" can do science) and expanding on it a bit more to focus the understanding of science. In particular, I take issue with the tendency to keep a lot of current scientific knowledge within circles of privileged academics with doctorates who tend to use overly complicated technical language to obscure ideas that would otherwise be easily accessible to anyone. ... However, the amount of literature I've read while doing work for uni which is just completely concealed by over-the-top vocabulary is ridiculous and screams out "bow before my intellect you peasant!" ... Science really excites me and I enjoy sharing that excitement so I'm easily annoyed by those who contribute nothing to public understanding of science while appearing to go out of their way (for all I know, they may not even do it consciously) to restrict knowledge in such an unnecessary way in order to be...well, euphoric stnuc. I can really understand how people are put off by this and wind up completely disinterested.
Fully agreeAnother one is the idea that humans are superior to all other species on the planet. I think this may partly stem from the idea that many people still seem to have that natural selection works in a linear way working consciously with a specific ultimate objective in mind as to the perfect organism where we are the closest things to perfection while all other species alive today are less developed/less advanced rungs on the ladder below us. I don't think that's really an issue within academic discourse anymore but I still see it as very common among the general public. I am particularly bothered when the attitude of human superiority reaches the point where any notion of us being related to other species causes disgust and even despair in people (for example, the idea that there can be no purpose to life if you share dna with other species) and, in the extreme, I doubt that letting this go unchallenged helps much when it comes to animal abuse and trying to combat the attitude that other animals are mindless creatures here for us to do with as we please.
its shit for a lot of people in the developing world. condoms, christianity, africa? no???PinUp wrote:Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.Perfecture wrote:Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.
Fair, but religion has done more bad than it has good imo.PinUp wrote:Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.Perfecture wrote:Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.
What about when they do it with Communism (Soviet states banned religion in favour of political indoctrination)? Or "Anti-Terrorism" or "Spreading Freedom"? What about justifying a Holocaust based on corrupted Darwinism? What about.... etc.Perfecture wrote:Fair, but religion has done more bad than it has good imo.PinUp wrote:Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.Perfecture wrote:Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.
Yeah believing something to keep you positive about life is good and all but it's just not cool when people are using a 'made up story' to brainwash generation after generation.
Fair points mate,magma wrote:What about when they do it with Communism (Soviet states banned religion in favour of political indoctrination)? Or "Anti-Terrorism" or "Spreading Freedom"? What about justifying a Holocaust based on corrupted Darwinism? What about.... etc.Perfecture wrote:Fair, but religion has done more bad than it has good imo.PinUp wrote:Religion is very important for a lot of people in the developing world, without it many people would have nothing left to live for. I agree that it it shouldn't be forming the back bone for politics though.Perfecture wrote:Religion - it's had its time and caused far to much crap, now it needs to jog on.
Yeah believing something to keep you positive about life is good and all but it's just not cool when people are using a 'made up story' to brainwash generation after generation.
People can and will justify war and subjugation with whatever's available. Religion's a red herring.
You can stay for tea.. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em
Which holy text has the best pictures?Pedro Sánchez wrote:You can stay for tea.. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em
It's nice to hear someone else say tea and not dinner.Pedro Sánchez wrote:You can stay for tea.. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em
It's was an ironic statement, you managed to get a thread onto the gassing of Jewish people within record time.Perfecture wrote:It's nice to hear someone else say tea and not dinner.Pedro Sánchez wrote:You can stay for tea.. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em
The Lindisfarne Gospels.southstar wrote:Which holy text has the best pictures?Pedro Sánchez wrote:You can stay for tea.. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em
right...................Pedro Sánchez wrote:It's was an ironic statement, you managed to get a thread onto the gassing of Jewish people within record time.Perfecture wrote:It's nice to hear someone else say tea and not dinner.Pedro Sánchez wrote:You can stay for tea.. if the jews hadn't of had their beliefs (if the bible and religion weren't around) then hitler wouldn't have seen them as a 'separate race' and wouldn't have gassed em