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Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:32 pm
by SCope13
test recordings wrote:lol even I have to disagree with you Magma. Capitalism got lucky, there's no reason China or another non-capitalist society couldn't manage to do the same thing. It just so happened that the scientific method was developed by a white European, who relied on 're-discovered' Greek mathematics learnt from Arabs.
Remember that Chinese and Arabic tech was way ahead of Europe before they invented guns. Europe's claim to fame rests on it's use of guns to fuck everyone else over, not it's economic system... If Arabs had invented that gun technology first, which they could have since they had access to the same philosophical theory, the world would be way different!
this.
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:34 pm
by SCope13
m8son wrote:If you support the EU as it is today then you are either ignorant to how it works or just plain anti-democracy, end of story. Now whether or not democracy is the only way of doing things is another question. I really don't see how people can support the running of many aspects of our country by people who are not from here and have likely never been here, it's completely ridiculous imo. I would put money on us being out of the EU in 10 years. The EU is, in my opinion, directly responsible for the rise of the far right in Europe. I usually like to leave the scaremongering to nwj but the way the EU is going it will end sooner rather than later in violent up rises.
not agreeing or disagreeing, but just out of curiosity, can you elaborate on how the EU is "responsible for the rise of the far right in Europe"?
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:42 pm
by m8son666
People are getting angry about how a lot of decisions being made for their country are coming from a country that's not theirs and how they have next to no input on these decisions.
The 'far-right' parties are against Europe therefore people are voting for them. Also with the open borders that we currently have in Europe people are, rightly or wrongly, disagreeing with the amount of immigrants being let into their country. Unfortunately the only people who seem to be talking about these issues are the parties further to the right and so they are gaining support.
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:46 pm
by SCope13
m8son wrote:People are getting angry about how a lot of decisions being made for their country are coming from a country that's not theirs and how they have next to no input on these decisions.
The 'far-right' parties are against Europe therefore people are voting for them. Also with the open borders that we currently have in Europe people are, rightly or wrongly, disagreeing with the amount of immigrants being let into their country. Unfortunately the only people who seem to be talking about these issues are the parties further to the right and so they are gaining support.
ah, alright that makes sense. But that doesnt sound like something the EU is really responsible for, that just comes down to issues that certain political parties choose to pursue.
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:48 pm
by hubb
bureacratically responsible if thats a word
kafka was a badman
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:51 pm
by SCope13
hubb wrote:bureacratically responsible if thats a word
kafka was a badman
that reminds me I actually havent read Kafka for some time. Might have to start doing that again.
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:55 pm
by m8son666
yh haha im half way through the trial atm
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:00 pm
by SCope13
m8son wrote:yh haha im half way through the trial atm
never read that one tbh, it good? Was reading a decent amount of him last year then I went to uni and reading for pleasure came to an end lol. But yeah i got a nice collection of his short stories and shit.
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:04 pm
by ehbes
SCope13 wrote:m8son wrote:yh haha im half way through the trial atm
never read that one tbh, it good? Was reading a decent amount of him last year then I went to uni and reading for pleasure came to an end lol. But yeah i got a nice collection of his short stories and shit.
you might like this one then
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:07 pm
by SCope13
ehbrums1 wrote:SCope13 wrote:m8son wrote:yh haha im half way through the trial atm
never read that one tbh, it good? Was reading a decent amount of him last year then I went to uni and reading for pleasure came to an end lol. But yeah i got a nice collection of his short stories and shit.
you might like this one then
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:07 pm
by m8son666
SCope13 wrote:m8son wrote:yh haha im half way through the trial atm
never read that one tbh, it good? Was reading a decent amount of him last year then I went to uni and reading for pleasure came to an end lol. But yeah i got a nice collection of his short stories and shit.
Yeah it's good, pretty frustrating but that's the point haa. Also i'm not looking forward to the ending cos he never finished it and stops half way through a sentence lol
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:09 pm
by SCope13
m8son wrote:SCope13 wrote:m8son wrote:yh haha im half way through the trial atm
never read that one tbh, it good? Was reading a decent amount of him last year then I went to uni and reading for pleasure came to an end lol. But yeah i got a nice collection of his short stories and shit.
Yeah it's good, pretty frustrating but that's the point haa. Also i'm not looking forward to the ending cos he never finished it and stops half way through a sentence lol
lol yeah the fact that he never finished it is the main thing thats always put be off from reading it tbh. It worth it tho?
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:09 pm
by SCope13
But yeah all Ayn Rand books should be burned tbh
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:11 pm
by m8son666
yh i'd say it's worth a read, pretty easy going compared to some of the 'philosophical novels'
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:13 pm
by SCope13
m8son wrote:yh i'd say it's worth a read, pretty easy going compared to some of the 'philosophical novels'
speaking of which, you read any Camus?
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:16 pm
by m8son666
Only the stranger and myth of sisyphus, myth of Sisyphus is probably my favourite book, not that it's a novel.
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:19 pm
by OGLemon
hubb wrote:kafka was a badman
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:21 pm
by SCope13
m8son wrote:Only the stranger and myth of sisyphus, myth of Sisyphus is probably my favourite book, not that it's a novel.
yeah those are both pretty GOAT
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:21 pm
by m8son666
any other camus you would recommend?
Re: If we can't change our economic system, our number's up
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:25 pm
by SCope13
m8son wrote:any other camus you would recommend?
tbh that's all i've read too but I got the The Fall and The Plague on my shelf, both of which are supposed to be good. I might start in on one of them this weekend.