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mastering is unbelievably important.

you're just being painfully ignorant.

Also "the best rock albums were made in someone's house". Nah you can't really say that.

i wish they'd give music courses a better name. most music tech courses now at uni are super technical and have very little to do with music

i basically do computer science and engineering, but my degree will say audio technology which sounds wank for anything outside of that field

and i fucking hate this field

Agent 47 wrote:i wish they'd give music courses a better name. most music tech courses now at uni are super technical and have very little to do with music

i basically do computer science and engineering, but my degree will say audio technology which sounds wank for anything outside of that field

and i fucking hate this field

Mine went really arty at times. Still it was lots of max/msp in those modules but it went more towards the avant garde angle lecture wise along with it

Agent 47 wrote:
and i fucking hate this field

Needs more dance floor fingering imo

Ignoring the entire reality of how any music you guys listen to on here has got to you.

No, not really. I'm just saying that pr should be step two.

mastering is unbelievably important.

you're just being painfully ignorant.

On the basis that the industry should churn out the shit that needs mastering as it does now, then you are right.

I think it was Hannibal Burress that posed the idea that Hollywood should just have a break for a few years, so we could all get the time and focus to enjoy the good films that were already made. I don't see why we can't think like that once in a while, even when the reasoning is jobs, because the field is just so inflated and unremarkable.

*edit* lol fielt

it does m8

nah but like i fully hate everything 'audio' related

i enjoy making and mixing music but thats about it nowadays

i dont give a fuck about whats going on technically and i want nothing to do with it 75% of the people on my course are fucking WANKERS as well and i get the impression they're very much the type of people who will go on to fill the industry so fuck that. dork fucking metal nerds

Agent 47 wrote:dork fucking metal nerds

Also "the best rock albums were made in someone's house". Nah you can't really say that.

Yes and I will. Not that I take it to heart but that stones record ( i hate the stones btw) might not have come together and made the same record in a much more sterile recording environment. Same goes for blood sugar sex magic (boooooh), the doors, a shit load of classic jazz records, Madvillainy or Teebees Black science labs.

You cant put a price on that + other clichés.

yeah exile was made in a "house", but with thousands of pounds of recording equipment in a mobile studio, i guess abbey road was made in a "house" too

hubb wrote:

Ignoring the entire reality of how any music you guys listen to on here has got to you.

No, not really. I'm just saying that pr should be step two.

mastering is unbelievably important.

you're just being painfully ignorant.

On the basis that the industry should churn out the shit that needs mastering as it does now, then you are right.

I think it was Hannibal Burress that posed the idea that Hollywood should just have a break for a few years, so we could all get the time and focus to enjoy the good films that were already made. I don't see why we can't think like that once in a while, even when the reasoning is jobs, because the fielt is just so inflated and unremarkable.

You're fully talking out of your arse mate. I'm sorry mastering makes a huge huge difference to how a record sounds. Not to mention if something is put on vinyl it's 100% nessecary for it to even physically happen. Then take into account how many times the mastering engineer has to correct the track eq wise or even just tell the producer the things that need fixing mixdown wise before it can be mastered. Making a tune on your cheap monitors in your house will not just magically result in something that will sound good played in a club like Berghain for example no matter how hard you try.

RKM wrote:yeah exile was made in a "house", but with thousands of pounds of recording equipment in a mobile studio, i guess abbey road was made in a "house" too

Yeah exactly. It's still made with shitloads of expensive equipment, sent to an expensive mastering house and pressed to vinyl at a huge pressing plant and distributed by a massive label. You couldn't make that record in your living room on a budget based on a normal job and put it straight on bandcamp and expect it to sound at all the same or for people to be listening to it 40 years later.

Madvillainy was made using records that would have cost money to make so wouldn't exist without the samples.

Good sounding jazz records again relied on good recording equipment and were mixed and mastered by people knowing what they were doing on expensive equipment.

m listening to Alice Coltrane - Galaxy In Satchidananda off the album World Galaxy right now. A record that would be impossible to make with mates in someone's house for no money for example.

RKM wrote:yeah exile was made in a "house", but with thousands of pounds of recording equipment in a mobile studio, i guess abbey road was made in a "house" too

Yeah I know, but try to get Keith Richard who was a millionaire at that point to sit in a studio. You can't know how much that would cost. And that is part of that industry, to not ask questions but just pay out of their ass. Same with mastering it's just something they expect to pay for a lot of the time because they have people that earn a living from doing that.

You guys are just reading to much into me joking about being a hippy.
Which is fine.

hubb wrote:

RKM wrote:yeah exile was made in a "house", but with thousands of pounds of recording equipment in a mobile studio, i guess abbey road was made in a "house" too

Yeah I know, but try to get Keith Richard who was a millionaire at that point to sit in a studio. You can't know how much that would cost. And that is part of that industry, to not ask questions but just pay out of their ass. Same with mastering it's just something they expect to pay for a lot of the time because they have people that earn a living from doing that.

You guys are just reading to much into me joking about being a hippy.
Which is fine.

Mastering isn't that at all. I personally know a couple incredibly good mastering engineers.If you were to talk to them for five minutes about sound you'd feel like an idiot. It's not a question of throwing money at someone because it's an accepted job.

Also can you not hear differences between a well mastered record and one that isn't? Or do you even know anything about the physical process of how a record plays and that to get a track to even cut to vinyl there's a shitload you need to know about?

Ok, it must be a language thing on my part (in what I write) because Im not refuting what some records consists of. I'm questioning the necessity of doing it exactly the same way now and trying to provoke the notion that someone that is capable of both composing, producing and mastering a track is probably worth listening to, compared with some huge silly outfitted projects like metallica or u2 that the industry seem to depend on even today. A lot is archeic here.

wolf89 wrote:
Also can you not hear differences between a well mastered record and one that isn't?

You mean one that's harsh limited with 0 dynamic range and un-naturaly EQ'd vs one that is shit and not loud with tons of gay headroom?

point is listen to that Alice Coltrane track I mentioned, think about whether it should exist and then think about the money it would take for it's existence to be possible.

Then consider that every record you've bought that sounds any good cost money to make and you wouldn't have them if music had no business aspects to it at all. Do you really think any synth companies that exist would have been able to make instruments to the quality and scale they did if they had to do it part time in a shed?

SignalRecon wrote:

wolf89 wrote:
Also can you not hear differences between a well mastered record and one that isn't?

You mean one that's harsh limited with 0 dynamic range and un-naturaly EQ'd vs one that is shit and not loud with tons of gay headroom?

There's a lot more to it than that for fuck's sake.

Also again everyone is ignoring the fact you're on a forum for a genre that was built on people playing vinyl and vinyl can't exist without a mastering engineer who knows how to cut to vinyl and a shitload of money's worth of equipment.

hmm yh but maybe the world would be a better place if this forum didn't exist

wolf89 wrote:

hubb wrote:

RKM wrote:yeah exile was made in a "house", but with thousands of pounds of recording equipment in a mobile studio, i guess abbey road was made in a "house" too

Yeah I know, but try to get Keith Richard who was a millionaire at that point to sit in a studio. You can't know how much that would cost. And that is part of that industry, to not ask questions but just pay out of their ass. Same with mastering it's just something they expect to pay for a lot of the time because they have people that earn a living from doing that.

You guys are just reading to much into me joking about being a hippy.
Which is fine.

Mastering isn't that at all. I personally know a couple incredibly good mastering engineers.If you were to talk to them for five minutes about sound you'd feel like an idiot. It's not a question of throwing money at someone because it's an accepted job.

Also can you not hear differences between a well mastered record and one that isn't? Or do you even know anything about the physical process of how a record plays and that to get a track to even cut to vinyl there's a shitload you need to know about?

Mastering isn't that at all.
It's not exclusively, absolutely or only that, and how could anyone involved with sound think that?
BUT it is also that, because it's an intrinsic system of dependance between the different parts of prodcution -that everyone involved in music ought to question from time to time.
I've had releases on vinyl and I dont see you as more of an authority on the subject, than my own experience btw.