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He's very unlucky. Doubt he tried to take it on purpose...

stanton wrote:Blimey, I used to rather like some of the stuff he played in the early 90's.


It's shocking that someone should get a jail sentence for carrying drugs into a country with incredibly strict drug laws.

LOL,, noshit eh,,,,
Do the crime, get the time,, its fairly straightfoward.

seckle wrote:not sure if it's right to start blaming islam in broad strokes.

it's true that islam isn't an adaptable or progressive religion, but it's influence is massive in middle eastern culture and more specifically how it views cultural "freedoms". i wouldn't say that it's responsible directly for the harsh laws though.

thailand for example, has buddhism as it's dominant religion and has ferocious drug laws.
japan is shintoist for the most part, and also has very strict drug laws.

this is more an issue of culture clash than anything else. many parts of the world and the middle east views our common western freedoms (arguably, drug use being one of them) as a detriment to our way of life. from that very stern outlook on the west, we're already corrupted and damaged as broader globalized societies.

I agree, 100%,

Lashed for BEING raped?

That's like the icing on a pain cake

Tomity wrote:

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So she's swallowed a gun

I thought it was because she was alone in a car with a man that wasn't her husband or a relative

I don't know the ins and outs of saudi or dubai law, but I'm sure there's a lot of misconceptions and assumptions in the west that are miles wide of the mark

pk- wrote:I thought it was because she was alone in a car with a man that wasn't her husband or a relative

I don't know the ins and outs of saudi or dubai law, but I'm sure there's a lot of misconceptions and assumptions in the west that are miles wide of the mark

Why let facts get in the way of ignorant prejudice though PK.

pk- wrote:I thought it was because she was alone in a car with a man that wasn't her husband or a relative

I don't know the ins and outs of saudi or dubai law, but I'm sure there's a lot of misconceptions and assumptions in the west that are miles wide of the mark

A lot of that comes from the fact that under Sharia rape is only rape in the eyes of the law if it is conducted in front of four male Muslim witnesses.

stanton wrote:

pk- wrote:I thought it was because she was alone in a car with a man that wasn't her husband or a relative

I don't know the ins and outs of saudi or dubai law, but I'm sure there's a lot of misconceptions and assumptions in the west that are miles wide of the mark

A lot of that comes from the fact that under Sharia rape is only rape in the eyes of the law if it is conducted in front of four male Muslim witnesses.

what really? that's fucking awful. when's that ever going to happen unless it's gang rape (when they're obviously aren't going to be witnesses)

TNT wrote:

Tomity wrote:

seckle wrote:the new backscatter machines are already installed here in new york's airports.
your whole body comes up on the screen. the scan goes right through clothes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backscatter_X-ray

Have seen those in amsterdam's airport as well. Takes away all the fun of smuggling

So u cant even balls a qtr out of Holland anymore cos it'll show up?
If this is the case i am going to be most upset...

Naaa tis not true! Came back from 2 trips 2 Dam not long ago and both times it was a joke how easy it is 2 get through...so dont worry..
although i have been in one of these things when i was coming home from the States one time and they are very scary although not 100% full proof i must add from experience

I should clarify that that this is not the case for all interpretations of Sharia and that even under official interpretations of Sharia in Islamic states there are variations on enforcement and the burden of proof.

Mr Hyde wrote:

Shonky wrote:

pk- wrote:I thought it was because she was alone in a car with a man that wasn't her husband or a relative

I don't know the ins and outs of saudi or dubai law, but I'm sure there's a lot of misconceptions and assumptions in the west that are miles wide of the mark

Why let facts get in the way of ignorant prejudice though PK.

Not so sure about ignorant prejudice, think most assumptions are quite well founded, I nearly worked there until I found out more about the place.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 098480.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... udi_Arabia

any country where women are not allowed to be out without a relative is backwards in my book.

I think a lot of these assumptions are born out of extreme examples though. I dont deny these horrible things happen as they clearly do, but just because there are laws doesnt mean people follow them. The only way to get a true understanding of the country would be to go there and see.

Mr Hyde wrote:

Tomity wrote:

Mr Hyde wrote:

Shonky wrote:

pk- wrote:I thought it was because she was alone in a car with a man that wasn't her husband or a relative

I don't know the ins and outs of saudi or dubai law, but I'm sure there's a lot of misconceptions and assumptions in the west that are miles wide of the mark

Why let facts get in the way of ignorant prejudice though PK.

Not so sure about ignorant prejudice, think most assumptions are quite well founded, I nearly worked there until I found out more about the place.... http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 098480.stm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... udi_Arabia

any country where women are not allowed to be out without a relative is backwards in my book.

I think a lot of these assumptions are born out of extreme examples though. I dont deny these horrible things happen as they clearly do, but just because there are laws doesnt mean people follow them. The only way to get a true understanding of the country would be to go there and see.

hmmmm, I' friends with a business lawyer that works on cases out there from time to time, think I ll take them and Amnesty and the word of free press's word for it.....call me predjudiced but I think the evidence stands for itself without me having to see it first hand to believe it.

Dont get me wrong. I think the ruling classes over their have barbaric policies and its clear from this case alone that they are happy to inpliment them. I'm just talking about what you can get away with.

no matter how much you try to apply the "division of church and state" rule you can't deny the fact that it's kind of a bunch of crap. let's take the u.s. for instance...!

you can say that its ok to be hard on drug laws because the bible says so, but then is it ok to treat women like shit because the bible says so too? or how about a country that locks you up for holding drugs, but turns a blind eye when you're having sex with underage kids for money?!

where's your bible then?

just because different bibles have different "standards" of living i can't think of one that says its actually ok to do "bad" just as long as you're doing some "good". this isn't survival of the fittest so when you want to use religion to rule a country, you're walking a fine line of hypocrisy.

when talking about drug laws, you're talking about money and control. countries need things like this to keep money flowing and examples to be made. you can say that a country is "strict" because of their beliefs, but in reality, their strict because they don't want to look like a pushover to their neighbors.
it's not really about religion, lets face it.

just my two cents...

so when are we going to see some "free grooverider" t-shirts?

.much.
xxox

when i went over to dmz a while back......i went thru dubai.
when i got home i realised id been travelling with a tiny(TINY)
bit of bud in a bag in a side pocket of my cargo type shorts.
seriously, its scary.....i had no idea how anal they were over there either...untill now.

man was seriously unlucky...freinds and family must be devastated.
seriously unlucky, i hope he gets off it, its not really fair is it.

Mr Hyde wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 098480.stm

I'd imagine she wouldn't have been treated quite so harshly if she hadn't been Shia. They're treated extremely badly out there in general; they're all second class citizens, not just the women.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_righ ... udi_Arabia

any country where women are not allowed to be out without a relative is backwards in my book.

that's got a very western approach to it, though. a couple of muslim associates explained it to me like this (although they're from algeria so this might not apply to the middle east) - men and women are given very specific roles in islamic society and are actually given equal importance in completely different areas. the women run the family unit, and aren't given the same freedoms because it's expected that they devote their lives to that role. similarly men are expected to financially support their family and are given freedom to work where/do what they please to facilitate this. obviously it's a heavily patriarchal social model and there's always going to be a bias, but this concept of women treated as slaves and being vehemently hated is apparently quite far from the truth

this may, of course, be bollocks. i've never been further east than germany and they're both men, so they might be telling porkies.