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Some very well informed and interesting stuff Boomster. I'm reading Adorno on Popular Music atm.

yes boom, but DO YOU love the vengaboys?

yerr original defo wins there, i wish shai had more of a career, talent wasted

Jubscarz wrote:

boomnoise wrote:it really perplexes me why people don't feel comfortable with liking pop records.

I was thinking a similar thing, surely if you like a tune there is no "should" or "should not"?

yeah pretty much. All sound a little bit insinsere.

that all makes sense but the way i see things is i guess a bit more cynical...i think it can be healthy rather than have this rose tinted innocence towards anything the mass embraces

ultimately i believe whats popular with the general public has been slowly & gradually shaped by industry....people have no idea what THEY really want anymore...it may well have been cascada for all i know but they sway towards it because it resembles something else that came out before it which isn't current..and they like the idea of buying new shit because new is better..thats something we've all been taught..its not because they like the drums to sound exactly like that or anything beyond the simple fact it sounds like something they liked before that was released for the same purpose for some other people

not sure that makes any sense but it was hard to articulate

i don't actually mind music being made for profit at all to be honest...artists need to get paid...I'm just talking about when it's overall message isn't something i can believe in that i don't view it on the same level...but yeah i have nothing against money being made by music..it's when it's such a load of gash and everyone buys it because it's cool that it may bother me (pendulum & the klaxons:))

but then your post was interesting and I'd not heard those arguments before and of course my view is swayed by my own experiences..maybe I'm bitter i dunno:)

oooh i love this one :
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3QeuRfcsdvc&feature=user

No such thing as a guilty pleasure.

Which is the sole philosophy which colours and informs metal box's cat kicking hobby.

boomnoise wrote:the argument being raised here totally undermines the role of the individual actor to make their own decisions.

that is exactly what i was trying to say in regards to parson's argument in reference to his contention that influence , propaganda and intent cause people to like pop music or to act on ideas posited by pop music.

This seriously undermines the pure aesthetic value of music as entertainment/ pleasure and that music does not have to always have a political dimension to be appreciated.

It also, I think, assumes that most humans are morons and programmed automatons which is not a view that I agree with.

i guess the ultimate discussion is:

to what extent does the individual choose what to like / buy / consume?

obviously there is choice.

obviously certain things are given more exposure than others.

but...

i don't think you can say people don't know what they want.

we don't live in a society where freedom of choice has been removed.

but you could easily argue that we live in a society where freedom of choice is controlled.

but let's look at this stuff which people buy a lot of - like your james blunts, cascadas, amy winehouses.

this stuff is often bought by people for who music isn't really a passion. music for them is something more of a commodity than for people like us, who i'm assuming to be more discerning.

look at the way supermarkets sell cheap cds. certain people buy an album in exactly the same why they buy a can of beans; factoring in perceived value, quality etc.

you could argue they are buying it coz they are exposed to it. but their lack of engagement with it and moreover the percieved lack of free will in what they consume, i don't think can be criticised.

you wouldnt criticise them for not going out and trying to find a more gourmet can of beans, made on a farm in wiltshire with homemade ingredients.

obviously this is derailing things totally.

i like east 17

i don't like the vengaboys.

selector.dub.u wrote:

boomnoise wrote:the argument being raised here totally undermines the role of the individual actor to make their own decisions.

that is exactly what i was trying to say in regards to parson's argument in reference to his contention that influence , propaganda and intent cause people to like pop music or to act on ideas posited by pop music.

This seriously undermines the pure aesthetic value of music as entertainment/ pleasure and that music does not have to always have a political dimension to be appreciated.

It also, I think, assumes that most humans are morons and programmed automatons which is not a view that I agree with.

fancy being my editor? lol

i really like the number one by stenchman, but i'm not sure if i should like it really....

i listen to it on loop and it reminds me that i'm a sad git with no friends... and that makes me cry a little

With the radio on all day at work, sometimes I don't mind a tune when I first hear it, but by the 4th time in the day you hear the same pop tune, it grates.

There are some exceptions, and probably pop music is a lot more interesting than it has been for years with peopl like Timbaland, The Neptunes and others producing a lot of the Britney, Timberlake, etc.

boomnoise wrote:i guess the ultimate discussion is:

to what extent does the individual choose what to like / buy / consume?

.

I think most individuals really do have a large amount of power in regards to what they buy or consume in the domain of music -- especially in the west or in society's where the technology of the internet is common and where information dispersal is rapid and nearly ubiquitous.

I also think that, as you mentioned boom, that most people just do not relate to music the way many of us on this board or the myriad of other music discussion sites do. They buy/dl music cuz it makes them feel good or bad it really is that simple. It is a commodity they buy and they do not regard it politically or philosophically at all.

Of course the mechanism of control concerning what music most people actually get exposed to is a problem that I personally have trouble with and I dislike about the current system. However, I do not allow my political and economic philosophies to interfere in my appreciation of music that may be considered corse and stupid in those domains.
Fortunately the major labels are losing their dominance in the area of exposure and promotion.

boomnoise wrote:

selector.dub.u wrote:

boomnoise wrote:the argument being raised here totally undermines the role of the individual actor to make their own decisions.

that is exactly what i was trying to say in regards to parson's argument in reference to his contention that influence , propaganda and intent cause people to like pop music or to act on ideas posited by pop music.

This seriously undermines the pure aesthetic value of music as entertainment/ pleasure and that music does not have to always have a political dimension to be appreciated.

It also, I think, assumes that most humans are morons and programmed automatons which is not a view that I agree with.

fancy being my editor? lol

ha! I would not mind that at all

Why would I not be sure if I 'should' really like something? Either I do or don't.

selector.dub.u wrote:

boomnoise wrote:i guess the ultimate discussion is:

to what extent does the individual choose what to like / buy / consume?

.

I think most individuals really do have a large amount of power in regards to what they buy or consume in the domain of music -- especially in the west or in society's where the technology of the internet is common and where information dispersal is rapid and nearly ubiquitous.

I also think that, as you mentioned boom, that most people just do not relate to music the way many of us on this board or the myriad of other music discussion sites do. They buy/dl music cuz it makes them feel good or bad it really is that simple. It is a commodity they buy and they do not regard it politically or philosophically at all.

Of course the mechanism of control concerning what music most people actually get exposed to is a problem that I personally have trouble with and I dislike about the current system. However, I do not allow my political and economic philosophies to interfere in my appreciation of music that may be considered corse and stupid in those domains.
Fortunately the major labels are losing their dominance in this area.

interesting

yeah I've not thought about people just using music like a plaster or mcdonalds happy meal...but surely the reason it makes them feel good often is a sense of conformity from knowing it's something acceptable to listen to?

that does make sense though

Piston wrote:

selector.dub.u wrote:

boomnoise wrote:i guess the ultimate discussion is:

to what extent does the individual choose what to like / buy / consume?

.

I think most individuals really do have a large amount of power in regards to what they buy or consume in the domain of music -- especially in the west or in society's where the technology of the internet is common and where information dispersal is rapid and nearly ubiquitous.

I also think that, as you mentioned boom, that most people just do not relate to music the way many of us on this board or the myriad of other music discussion sites do. They buy/dl music cuz it makes them feel good or bad it really is that simple. It is a commodity they buy and they do not regard it politically or philosophically at all.

Of course the mechanism of control concerning what music most people actually get exposed to is a problem that I personally have trouble with and I dislike about the current system. However, I do not allow my political and economic philosophies to interfere in my appreciation of music that may be considered corse and stupid in those domains.
Fortunately the major labels are losing their dominance in this area.

interesting

yeah I've not thought about people just using music like a plaster or mcdonalds happy meal...but surely the reason it makes them feel good often is a sense of conformity from knowing it's something acceptable to listen to?

that does make sense though

Well not totally but, i see your point. Def that is a factor in some ways . I also think they consider whether the song they like will get them laid or not and some music really does appeal well to our lower brain in other words -- they might just be buying/dl music to satisfy the lower brain's criteria.

selector.dub.u wrote:

Piston wrote:

selector.dub.u wrote:

boomnoise wrote:i guess the ultimate discussion is:

to what extent does the individual choose what to like / buy / consume?

.

I think most individuals really do have a large amount of power in regards to what they buy or consume in the domain of music -- especially in the west or in society's where the technology of the internet is common and where information dispersal is rapid and nearly ubiquitous.

I also think that, as you mentioned boom, that most people just do not relate to music the way many of us on this board or the myriad of other music discussion sites do. They buy/dl music cuz it makes them feel good or bad it really is that simple. It is a commodity they buy and they do not regard it politically or philosophically at all.

Of course the mechanism of control concerning what music most people actually get exposed to is a problem that I personally have trouble with and I dislike about the current system. However, I do not allow my political and economic philosophies to interfere in my appreciation of music that may be considered corse and stupid in those domains.
Fortunately the major labels are losing their dominance in this area.

interesting

yeah I've not thought about people just using music like a plaster or mcdonalds happy meal...but surely the reason it makes them feel good often is a sense of conformity from knowing it's something acceptable to listen to?

that does make sense though

Well not totally but, i see your point. Def that is a factor in some ways . I also think they consider whether the song they like will get them laid or not and some music really does appeal well to our lower brain in other words -- they might just be buying/dl music to satisfy the lower brain's criteria.

DAMMIT, you're on to me.

I don't believe that people are automans - What I do believe is that a certain amount of quality real artists are no longer rising to the top like they had in the past..because, they don't appeal to the ruling glamour class.

Does it affect me - not personally, but it does create armies of....I don't know..

shallow unkind people who are arrogant and obsessed with their image..


You should see my little cousins..they can't read, but they are just straight runnin' shit through their cell phones..