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I think 'pride' or 'being proud' are strange words to use in the context of coming from a place. You are in essence overly happy that your parents happened to fuck within the confines of a bit of land.

When it comes to the culture within the UK I can see where people are coming from, but surely all that is dependant on the other cultures that have influenced it? Why not be proud of culture in general?

i only have pride in something i've done well or achieved, feeling proud of an artistic movement or music scene that you haven't contributed to is a bit weird, imo anyway.

alfie wrote:i only have pride in something i've done well or achieved, feeling proud of an artistic movement or music scene that you haven't contributed to is a bit weird, imo anyway.

I don't think it's weird, I'm quite proud of the fact that a lot of my fav artists are from the uk. I'm quite proud that dubstep/jungle/uk garage came from the uk aswell, Obviously these genres are influenced by other genres that arnt from the uk but at the end of the day, here is where it started

Magma wrote:I've recently completed reading Simon Schama's three volume History of Britain.

Schama's quite good, his Power of Art and his book, The American Future: A History, is worth checking out too. He certainly loves America more than Britain - saying they (Americans) are more accepting of his Jewish heritage than people were in the East end of London during the fifties and sixties.

Firky wrote:

Magma wrote:I've recently completed reading Simon Schama's three volume History of Britain.

Schama's quite good, his Power of Art and his book, The American Future: A History, is worth checking out too. He certainly loves America more than Britain - saying they (Americans) are more accepting of his Jewish heritage than people were in the East end of London during the fifties and sixties.

Yeah - he's pretty good. My Dad got me the first volume of this one, so I just kinda carried on with it as I liked his writing style. It gets a bit flat around the civil war, I thought, but the rest is done really well.

I keep eyeing up the Power of Art on DVD.

I watched his TV series of The American Future, but haven't read the book - he seemed almost rabidly pro-Obama when he did the BBC coverage on election night, I was a bit worried the book would have a big agenda?

Peter Acroyd's a don as well. His biography of London is immense. I need to give it back to my brother, actually, I've been "borrowing" it for over 2 years!!

Tomity wrote:Why not be proud of culture in general?

Yeah, this too. Although I am very happy to live in a culture where lots of influences are thrown into a melting pot - it's not as perfect as it could be, for certain, but we seem to manage it better than a lot of other places.

Island life is fun!

..was working with this girl who was - just the most obnoxious, arrogant, self serving, brash, rude, sharp tounged, ill tempered person ever..

9-11 happens, and she comes in with a bag of these saftey pins w/ flag ribbons..and tries to make this pathetic, sucker bonding, joy session..

I was like WHAT THE FUCK - NO!! - YOUR A SCAM AND A FRONT..


I was ready to smash a bag of flags and stuff...

watch the exploitation..



...beyond that, I enjoy flags...just like collecting stamps..