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no that's not what he's saying he's saying that it would more worthy of the hype & excitement if they weren't just basically making loefahesque beats

Insult me if you want but IMO this is middle tier DNB producers jumping ship after falling popularity and and a lacklustre last album

edit: and yes half step is the amen of dubstep - in that it's the classic drum pattern most people use to describe dubstep: BOOM...... TISH (or clap or whatever)

exactly...innovate dont imitate

...theyre making tunes loefah wishes he'd made and it's not a good look but it sounds great and when you get slackdown hypin shit up at the expense of shit that is more worthy like boxcutter who does have a dubstep pedigree then it comes of as disingenous

Shaan wrote:no that's not what he's saying

beatlejuice wrote: i'd much rather hear them give garage/2 step inspired dubstep a go or yeah you guessed it, breakstep?

Cheers for clearing that up for me

Capo Ultra wrote:

Shaan wrote:no that's not what he's saying

beatlejuice wrote: i'd much rather hear them give garage/2 step inspired dubstep a go or yeah you guessed it, breakstep?

Cheers for clearing that up for me

r u serious?

read his post he's saying that he personally would like to hear their take on it - not that they should stop what they are doing.

but hey go fawn like everyone else - i'll be copping the releases for sure but i won't be making sweet sweet love to them

those comments i made were in response to dark halfstep supposedly being lost but i bet i could go into the dubs section and 9 out of ten would be wannabee deep halfstep wobblers. Just too fucking easy to clone, especially for jaded d'n'b heads lookin to get some easy shine...

...but if you didnt come from early breakbeat garage or 2step then give that a go cos there is just not enough of that around. Try reinterpreting that sound with accompanying hi production values instead and then i'd be impressed

i can't see that the kryptic minds tracks are like loefah tracks, apart from the spacey half time feel, but isn't that what dubstep prodominatley is?

i mean loefah uses alot of 808's for his bass, i don't hear kryptic minds doing that. loefah tracks are very minimal cool but very minimal, kryptic minds tracks have lots of layers and are more introcate.

the only problem i can see you guys having is that kryptic minds came from dnb, but they had to come from somewhere.

and the comment made about their last album Lost All Faith, is so wrong its an amazing album.

Thank you Blackdown.

Good stuff, this and the Silkie mix have both this week re-invigorated my musical outlook. Top drawer stuff from both.

An interesting read as well to say the least, things in there that many of us can identify with, to do with personal circumstances and life in general.

And nice to see that there's no fear of trying to do something new, making 'club' stroke 'funky' tracks. As well as the importance of trying new things and NOT sticking to the formula.
I can identify with this, I try to make different forms of music, sometimes it may fall flat on it's arse, sometimes you can mine a rich seam and it's all about experimentation and enjoyment.
Why be formulaic?
I can't understand why folk find it so hard to judge different kinds of music objectively.
Cross pollination is what makes good music.

Long may it continue.

To be honest I don't see what the problem is. Beatejuice, you seem to lump KM in with all the other new-wobble halfstep loefah rip-offs. This to me is a contradiction in terms. All the 'wobble' and dnb influenced jump up dubstep is one thing, 2004-6 darkness is another thing. Loefah endorses the latter but his dislike of the former is thinly veiled.

And as for the KM sound, its not even that similar to Loefah (much more organic and atmospheric imo, whereas Loefah has a more minimal beats n bass approach, like fucked up hip-hop). So what if they're harking back to 2004-6? Its a quality sound and one that is much overlooked. In a time when everyone wants to be coki and shoot some gunfinger, its good to see some eyes down music, regardless if its a "few years too late" or not - this music is timeless.

Oh and Beatlejuice did raise some valid points, in respect of the dubs section particularly.

good read.. loe's been an inspiration to me from day.. some great insights there.

it's a bit off that he's made to defend/justify coki to the interviewer though, wtf

never said anything about them coming from DNB being a bad thing - or that the music itself wasn't wicked (it is)

just saying it's hypocritical to slag off other dnb guys jumping into the scene (how many of you are guilty of this? I am) but welcoming Kryptic minds with massive amounts of hype because loefah's behind it is bullshit.

and lost all faith was average at best

Shaan wrote:never said anything about them coming from DNB being a bad thing - or that the music itself wasn't wicked (it is)

just saying it's hypocritical to slag off other dnb guys jumping into the scene (how many of you are guilty of this? I am) but welcoming Kryptic minds with massive amounts of hype because loefah's behind it is bullshit.

why slag people off in the first place whats the point? where ever they are from. if you wanted to make dnb you would'nt get slagged off. kryptic minds minor nine track was dubstep at 172 bpm which they done a few years ago and then the remix way before they met loefah. they didnt get slagged off then but very much welcomed. the hype is on the tunes not because they hooked up with loefah.

Shaan wrote:but hey go fawn like everyone else - i'll be copping the releases for sure but i won't be making sweet sweet love to them

Why buy something you're not that arsed about

r u dumb?

Shaan wrote:
and lost all faith was average at best

thats your oppion, not mine and not of alot of dnb heads and magazines

Capo Ultra wrote:

Shaan wrote:but hey go fawn like everyone else - i'll be copping the releases for sure but i won't be making sweet sweet love to them

Why buy something you're not that arsed about

r u dumb?

i buy lots of tunes that i'm not absolutely head of heels in love with - doesn't mean they aren't good tunes

i'm saying its a bad thing because they(dnb heads) all tend to make halfstep further solidifying it as the lowest cloneable common denominator and thus painting dubstep into a corner it cant get out off because then to all noobs just getting into the sound they wont know that back in the day there was wayyyyy more innovation coming from nu skool breaks and garage heads...

...yeah KM is all atmos and organic but they coulda just stripped the techstep or rolling breakbeat from some formulaic d'n'b they did slowed it down, chucked a halfstep beat and a subtle wobble under it which when you think about it sounds like all they did

too fucking easy. i know its a cliche but pay some dues yeah ???

http://www.rampradio.co.uk/media/files/ ... ge_9_1.mp3

El-B & Jay Da Flew on ramp radio - ghost showcase

listen to this and tell me that it's not a thousand times more worthy of hype

Shaan wrote:

Capo Ultra wrote:

Shaan wrote:but hey go fawn like everyone else - i'll be copping the releases for sure but i won't be making sweet sweet love to them

Why buy something you're not that arsed about

r u dumb?

i buy lots of tunes that i'm not absolutely head of heels in love with - doesn't mean they aren't good tunes

I personally would never buy a record I wasn't prepared to stick my chopper through the hole in the middle. Which is why I don't buy 7" records

any of u actually tried to rip off loefah

its pretty hard

the 808 and 909 hits (Except the BD's) dont work well without some processing and sound extremely generic when thrown in without prior thought..

and to be confident enough in ur music to keep it that minimal is a great attribute

Brilliant interview and big mix. Big ups!