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this shit is sounding like butthole if you ask me.

i fucking hate shit hip hop vocal riddim. gimme grime any day fuck.

Cosmic Surgeon wrote:
p.s. Just 'cause you're not feeling it doesn't mean you're an elitist. You don't have to say yes to everything.

Bruv, i put this article to test the waters on this subject to see what the peoples reactions to it were. It was always gonna be a 'Love it or Hate it' vibe. sa'll gd !!

Chosen Substance wrote:

Cosmic Surgeon wrote:
p.s. Just 'cause you're not feeling it doesn't mean you're an elitist. You don't have to say yes to everything.

Bruv, i put this article to test the waters on this subject to see what the peoples reactions to it were. It was always gonna be a 'Love it or Hate it' vibe. sa'll gd !!

can't agree more. as i wrote in the article, the reason i'm excited about this personally is just because it's yet another flavor of "dubstep" and diversity is one of my favorite parts of this music. everyone can pick their style(s) and run with it.

-boring wrote:this shit is sounding like butthole if you ask me.

i fucking hate shit hip hop vocal riddim. gimme grime any day fuck.

i guess what i meant is that these guys sound like they have no idea about the groove in these tunes, they need more time to listen and perfect their style before jumping on a tune and trying to be sweet.

what does SKEPTA think of these tunes?

snf wrote: I grew up in the midwest and trust me that the only things that make it big there are the ones that get played on MTV. What this means is that people will hear that beat and be like "what the hell IS that?!"

Minnesota has a huge underground hip hop scene. Atmosphere, Brother Ali, and MF Doom are all signed to Rhymesayers which is based right here in Minneapolis. MTV is all we know? You are chatting shit.

I think that this is not going to be as big as some people hope.

Tbh, I can't see this being that "thing" that makes dubstep blow up. For several reasons, most of which have been mentioned already. It might change some things in the US but not in Europe, US hiphop(ie "rap" - commercial end of things) does not have the same impact on the charts over here as it does in the US. This will be an interesting few months.

Best of luck to all those involved...

cyberneticghost wrote:

snf wrote: I grew up in the midwest and trust me that the only things that make it big there are the ones that get played on MTV. What this means is that people will hear that beat and be like "what the hell IS that?!"

Minnesota has a huge underground hip hop scene. Atmosphere, Brother Ali, and MF Doom are all signed to Rhymesayers which is based right here in Minneapolis. MTV is all we know? You are chatting shit.

Ya that was overstated to be sure, I saw some sick shows in Lawrence and worked at an amazing college radio station. Local acts blew up and tours came through from the very people you mention. But the question is one of what "big" means, and I think dubstep is still up and coming. Didn't mean to knock the midwest though, I learned about and first experienced music there.

The difference is that while there is an underground hiphop scene there's also a mainstream hiphop scene. I feel like dubstep is fundamentally unknown to a lot of people and this is what I meant. Apologies again for that it was poor wording.

edit: also, bigup to http://www.midwestdubstep.com http://www.iowa-massive.com http://www.roguedubs.com http://twitter.com/chicagodubstep FSTZ, NMEZEE and the KC crew, sub.mission, Dank Dealz, zeno and Denver peoples, DJ Parle, and the copious other people in the midwest making dubstep

snf wrote:

cyberneticghost wrote:

snf wrote: I grew up in the midwest and trust me that the only things that make it big there are the ones that get played on MTV. What this means is that people will hear that beat and be like "what the hell IS that?!"

Minnesota has a huge underground hip hop scene. Atmosphere, Brother Ali, and MF Doom are all signed to Rhymesayers which is based right here in Minneapolis. MTV is all we know? You are chatting shit.

Ya that was overstated to be sure, I saw some sick shows in Lawrence and worked at an amazing college radio station. Local acts blew up and tours came through from the very people you mention. But the question is one of what "big" means, and I think dubstep is still up and coming. Didn't mean to knock the midwest though, I learned about and first experienced music there.

The difference is that while there is an underground hiphop scene there's also a mainstream hiphop scene. I feel like dubstep is fundamentally unknown to a lot of people and this is what I meant. Apologies again for that it was poor wording.

It is all good. I was not mad, I just wanted everyone to realize we are not a bunch of country bumpkins out here.

I think the problem with the hip hop and dubstep combo is the wrong MCs have been chosen. Imagine if an insanely quick MC like twister, Bizzy Bone, or Lord Infamous flowed on a Dubstep track. I think that artists like them who have that versatile, quick style of spiting could pull it off.

DUBSTEP IS NOT MADE FOR WANK US HIP HOP VOCALS

DROKKR wrote:I think that this is not going to be as big as some people hope.

i agree, i don't think it will be big at all personally

p.s. Just 'cause you're not feeling it doesn't mean you're an elitist. You don't have to say yes to everything.[/quote]

mate your so right, all i hear is wankers from both sides of the arguement. "Oh you dont like its your an elitist, your mums an elitist, no room in dubstep for you hater ass elitist".

Then you've got the typical "mate this is shit not like the early 2000's if i could go back in time i would" sorta shit

Joe Muggs wrote:

thirdandarmyst wrote: i mean, hip hop used to be just about the funk, rythms, and instrumentals...

Did it? Surely the name "hip hop" itself comes from MC chat?

If you regard Kool Herc as the "creator" of hip hop, then hip hop was originally about looping breakbeats from funk, soul and rock tunes. I heard it said before that he used to call the method of playing a break and then playing it again on the second deck "hip hopping on the turn tables" (now people tend to call it cutting breaks if they are older or juggling if they are younger).

So you could say it was originally an instrumental thing. That period didn't last for long though - MCs started emerging very soon after Herc started djing in this way.

mattron wrote:

clarkycatDealer wrote:your chatting shit..

I don't have a chatting shit.

clarkycatDealer wrote:when you say it "doesnt work" , whats that based on?? nothing but a taste judgement on your behalf,

mattron wrote:dubstep just doesn't work with hip-hop and never will, imo.

This cracked me up.

Cooper wrote:

mattron wrote:

clarkycatDealer wrote:your chatting shit..

I don't have a chatting shit.

clarkycatDealer wrote:when you say it "doesnt work" , whats that based on?? nothing but a taste judgement on your behalf,

mattron wrote:dubstep just doesn't work with hip-hop and never will, imo.

This cracked me up.

i have nuff remixs of hip hop joints into dubstep tracks and they are sick. but these guys really needed time to perfect their style on dubstep rather than just getting up there and trying to flow hip hop on dubstep. these fuckers just dont have that upidy 2-step grime riddim within their flows yet and they ruin the ryhtyms IMO

For me, it just seems like these tracks were made to stand as music on their own. By putting the actual track right down in the mix and having someone rap over the top isn't really doing them anywhere near enough justice. That Joker track was kinda painful, just because all I really wanted was to hear Play Doe!
Maybe it's because I know these songs, so it might grow on me if original beats are made for this, but at the moment I'm not really feeling it.

lukah wrote:For me, it just seems like these tracks were made to stand as music on their own. By putting the actual track right down in the mix and having someone rap over the top isn't really doing them anywhere near enough justice. That Joker track was kinda painful, just because all I really wanted was to hear Play Doe!
Maybe it's because I know these songs, so it might grow on me if original beats are made for this, but at the moment I'm not really feeling it.

would you say the same thing if their flows actually vibed with the music instead of ran a muck with da riddim??

Part of this issue is the fact that rappers are taking tracks that were already created to stand on their own, then trying to add to it.

These cuts should be produced in the studio to duck when the vocal arrives and lash out when the vocal leaves, just like any_other_vocal_electronic_music_known_to_human_kind.

This is what made rapping over breaks in NYC work in the first place. It was paired with a DJ style that allowed for it. The rap is happening on the break, which the DJ repeated until the MC was done.

If cuts are specifically produced for a rapper's style, I think it can work. Alot of these producers will want to learn to write dubstep quickly though, which will result in many flops until they get it right.

some pretty sick shit coming out...

EGOLESS wrote:

mattron wrote:

EGOLESS wrote:But like it or not, it is fresh stuff... new stuff... new blend...

so? it sucks.

If its new and its good... good deal,

if its new and it sucks, which in this case, it does... than... just no.

Well m8, I say it sucks... you say it sucks... He says it's good, she says it's good.

Who is right and who is wrong?

true, true.

I like most of it ya know, gotta admit the flows aint really tight like the UK dudes, in all honesty I would prefer to hear cats like:


Busta
Krayzie Bone (Or any of B.O.N.E Thugs)
Luda
Twista


(Why the fuck I said cats I do not know, its like I turn into some BET presenter when I talk bout Hip Hop these days lol)

Big up the people involved in the project, cant knock it at all.