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Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:27 pm
by seckle
16bit wrote:seckle wrote:support individuality. support new ideas. if there's a fork in the road, and 500 people go one way, and 10 go another, which way would you go?
I'd survey both routes and decide which one
i want to go down.
I certainly wouldn't follow the 10 just to try and be different. That's exactly the same as following the 500 because of it's popularity.
its a philosophical riddle from uni. its about how you perceive the paths that you take, and whether you choose to lead or follow. most people follow.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:34 pm
by 16bit
seckle wrote:16bit wrote:seckle wrote:support individuality. support new ideas. if there's a fork in the road, and 500 people go one way, and 10 go another, which way would you go?
I'd survey both routes and decide which one
i want to go down.
I certainly wouldn't follow the 10 just to try and be different. That's exactly the same as following the 500 because of it's popularity.
its a philosophical riddle from uni. its about how you perceive the paths that you take, and whether you choose to lead or follow. most people follow.
yuh huh. But it's important to remember it's not always black and white, even more so, when a debate becomes and is termed "philosophical."
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:38 pm
by seckle
16bit wrote:seckle wrote:16bit wrote:seckle wrote:support individuality. support new ideas. if there's a fork in the road, and 500 people go one way, and 10 go another, which way would you go?
I'd survey both routes and decide which one
i want to go down.
I certainly wouldn't follow the 10 just to try and be different. That's exactly the same as following the 500 because of it's popularity.
its a philosophical riddle from uni. its about how you perceive the paths that you take, and whether you choose to lead or follow. most people follow.
yuh huh. But it's important to remember it's not always black and white, even more so, when a debate becomes and is termed "philosophical."
of course, but the principle is the same. its even in bushido, and other books. the lonely path, the warrior path, etc. the road less travelled...is usually the most worth your time.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:00 pm
by mdc_1990
seckle wrote:16bit wrote:seckle wrote:16bit wrote:seckle wrote:support individuality. support new ideas. if there's a fork in the road, and 500 people go one way, and 10 go another, which way would you go?
I'd survey both routes and decide which one
i want to go down.
I certainly wouldn't follow the 10 just to try and be different. That's exactly the same as following the 500 because of it's popularity.
its a philosophical riddle from uni. its about how you perceive the paths that you take, and whether you choose to lead or follow. most people follow.
yuh huh. But it's important to remember it's not always black and white, even more so, when a debate becomes and is termed "philosophical."
of course, but the principle is the same. its even in bushido, and other books. the lonely path, the warrior path, etc. the road less travelled...is usually the most worth your time.
not if it's less travelled cause it goes off a cliff
or cause there's bears
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:01 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
what exactly do you mean?
is spongebob one of these tunes or are tunes only made by up and comers the shit ones...
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:06 pm
by seckle
MDC_1990 wrote:seckle wrote:16bit wrote:seckle wrote:16bit wrote:
I'd survey both routes and decide which one i want to go down.
I certainly wouldn't follow the 10 just to try and be different. That's exactly the same as following the 500 because of it's popularity.
its a philosophical riddle from uni. its about how you perceive the paths that you take, and whether you choose to lead or follow. most people follow.
yuh huh. But it's important to remember it's not always black and white, even more so, when a debate becomes and is termed "philosophical."
of course, but the principle is the same. its even in bushido, and other books. the lonely path, the warrior path, etc. the road less travelled...is usually the most worth your time.
not if it's less travelled cause it goes off a cliff
or cause there's bears
but see, the whole premise of the riddle is about that first instinctive choice. not about being eaten by bears or falling off cliffs. you don't know whats around the corner, but are you willing to find out? how much are you willing to risk to gain? all you know is 500 people went one way, and a small group of people chose different.
apply it to anything creative in your life. its a good thing to think about.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:08 pm
by 16bit
seckle wrote:16bit wrote:seckle wrote:16bit wrote:seckle wrote:support individuality. support new ideas. if there's a fork in the road, and 500 people go one way, and 10 go another, which way would you go?
I'd survey both routes and decide which one
i want to go down.
I certainly wouldn't follow the 10 just to try and be different. That's exactly the same as following the 500 because of it's popularity.
its a philosophical riddle from uni. its about how you perceive the paths that you take, and whether you choose to lead or follow. most people follow.
yuh huh. But it's important to remember it's not always black and white, even more so, when a debate becomes and is termed "philosophical."
of course, but the principle is the same. its even in bushido, and other books. the lonely path, the warrior path, etc. the road less travelled...is usually the most worth your time.
I believe my point runs concurrent with that. The innovators will always innovate and the imitators will always imitate.
Just, there's a thin line between being innovative and trying to be different. One's natural, one's forced (the forced behaviour being similar to imitation)
I feel like a lot of tunes/artists are celebrated for being 'innovative' when really they're just being 'consciously different.'
(I'm pointing towards the exact opposite spectrum there, musically, of what's being discussed in this thread but it is relevant to highlight that it occurs throughout.)
Being different is just as popular as being the same.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:15 pm
by abZ
-boring wrote:i so wanna make a mock thread
"POLL: that snare drum sound used in hundreds of tracks these days"
"everyone uses a snare mate, sample somone knocking on your skull that is the way forward"
Don't even get me started on fucking sub bass. EVERY tune on Juno. So deep, makes me feel like I have to go #2.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:21 pm
by wooda916
16bit wrote:Just, there's a thin line between being innovative and trying to be different. One's natural, one's forced (the forced behaviour being similar to imitation)
I feel like a lot of tunes/artists are celebrated for being 'innovative' when really they're just being 'consciously different.'
Good point. Innovation always starts off with trying to be consciously different though, only time tells whether that difference will be innovative or not. This is the whole basis of experimental music.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:24 pm
by Pistonsbeneath
everything is original to an extent somewhat beyond it's control
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:25 pm
by 16bit
wooda916 wrote:16bit wrote:Just, there's a thin line between being innovative and trying to be different. One's natural, one's forced (the forced behaviour being similar to imitation)
I feel like a lot of tunes/artists are celebrated for being 'innovative' when really they're just being 'consciously different.'
Good point. Innovation always starts off with trying to be consciously different though, only time tells whether that difference will be innovative or not. This is the whole basis of experimental music.
I disagree. If you're making music for yourself then chances are its gonna be innovative anyway. I believe it's a natural thing.
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:43 pm
by djrexsta
Word.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:08 am
by mickledan
big thread indeed
dubstep is dead, long live the dubstep
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:15 am
by wooda916
16bit wrote:wooda916 wrote:16bit wrote:Just, there's a thin line between being innovative and trying to be different. One's natural, one's forced (the forced behaviour being similar to imitation)
I feel like a lot of tunes/artists are celebrated for being 'innovative' when really they're just being 'consciously different.'
Good point. Innovation always starts off with trying to be consciously different though, only time tells whether that difference will be innovative or not. This is the whole basis of experimental music.
I disagree. If you're making music for yourself then chances are its gonna be innovative anyway. I believe it's a natural thing.
i see what your getting at but my point is that if you are being experimental, i.e making new sounds, structures, patterns etc. you are being 'consciously different' and that is where alot of innovation comes from, its not necessarily 'forced'. On the flipside to that, it can become so far gone that it becomes like the person is being different for the sake of being different, rather than making good interesting music, which is what i think your trying to say.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:21 pm
by kidnappa
-boring wrote:
anyone could say that ANY sound is overplayed and make a thread about it.
and this same thread has been discussed hundreds of times anyways(chainsaw/wobble etc)
like mala said, there need not be genre names (hence why they created DMZ, to have the DMZ sound)
so why worry when your "genre" listing on beatport has a bunch of trash tunes?? every DJ has HIS OWN sound, and it should be treated as such. so stop trying to protect your genre name and instead push positive soundsystems forward!! man!! u already know that, i dont think i need to tell you that.
there are obviously people who like the chainsaw, so why not let them enjoy it??
i myself am getting quite sick of the heavy tunes aswell, but its not really a big deal, cuz if u stay diverse, then everything has its place.
its all about staying diverse.
and YES there are millions of producers making shit chainsaw wobble tunes with no emotion or soul, and i dont buy them and i dont play them.
etc etc etc etc waste thread...do work.
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:56 pm
by -dubson-
big thread,
Misk's post nailed it, big ups
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:02 pm
by plastician
All things in moderation.
I like to drop a couple of stupidly nasty tracks in my set the same way i like to drop a couple of silkie or mala tunes
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:20 pm
by Hide_One
Initially a waste thread but with some good replys and opinions... and philosophy.
My take on it is:
If you don't like a tune, a sound or a trend or whatever, then just ignore it rather than making a post about it.
All these posts arguing about wobbles or rusko or 'mid-range cack' or whatever's gonna be next = it's all getting a bit tedious now.
Show love for the things you do like rather then flaming the things you dislike
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:21 pm
by rubixdub
peach punch wrote:u know it =) whats goin on bro
not the best 1st post but ...wise nonetheless haha
nice pic
Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2009 3:10 pm
by paul updat
I agree with seckle's point regarding the quality and trends of stuff on the digital outlets. Loads of poorly produced hype tunes that sound like they've been started and finished in one afternoon AND loads of fucking boring, uninteresting experimental shit that sounds like it's being produced purely to try and be different - like their trying to lead a forced rebellion against the clearly more commercially successful hype tunes.
Thing that pisses me off the most is that there is another side of this sound that seems to be getting ignored a bit at the moment - the deep (not cheesey deep), soulful, groovy beats. It always seems like dubstep is presented as being wobble or non-wobble.
I aint got a problem with big wobbly tunes if they still have a groove and good production. There are a lot of shit hype tunes floating around. In fact, I would say there are a lot of shit tunes floating around that cover different styles of the sound.
People should be making music because they want to, not because they think they can jump on a band-wagon and exploit a style. Very unrealistic I know.
