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scspkr99 wrote:

garethom wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:You're talking about games as successes over a 37 year career,

Yeah, if you ignore most of my other points.

scspkr99 wrote:What about him being pelted by coins by Inter fans who were in open revolt at his management, what about him leaving a recent league winning team at the bottom of the league in Blackburn and what about his management of Liverpool which had him in the job 6 months.

I didn't mention those, because I'm talking about his examples of overachieving, which I feel is the only way England are going to win anything anytime soon.

You don't mention that he was pelted with coins by Inter fans at another European final he'd got his team to (that they lost on penalties)? Before he arrived at Inter, they finished 13th and 6th, under him they finished 7th and 3rd, and that was with a team devoid of the stars that would come in later years. The fact they got him back as a caretaker manager a few years later shows that they must not have thought that badly of him.

He qualified for the UEFA cup with Blackburn in his first season, but yep, fair enough, he left next year when they were bottom.

I mentioned his time with Liverpool earlier. He didn't have the backing of fans from the beginning, and he left them around mid-table, as I mentioned above, I genuinely think that with the squad they have, Liverpool would be lucky to finish anywhere higher than that group of teams that seems to float around 8th to 13th.

Way I see it, England are a sort of Fulham of the international stage. They might always be at the table with the big boys, but fucked if they're ever gonna win the league.

I didn't ignore the other points I referred to the Fulham finishing 7th not being as spectacular as suggested. The other stuff I just don't think is important, the fact that the Swiss were ranked 3rd correlates to Liverpool being ranked #1 team in Europe based on the UEFA co-efficient in 2007 despite the fact we hadn't won a domestic champtionship in 16 years.

As for his success at West Brom the first year they remained in the league is irrelevant he wasn't managing them, the second year they were not in the relegation positions before he joined them He did make it clear he wasn't able to guarantee they'd remain in the top flight despite them being relatively safe when he took over. This season he's done ok his results in Scandanavia were 20 years ago.

He left Liverpool in 15th position after he signed Paul Konchesky, and Christian Poulson much to the amusement of Juve fans who are still rejocing that they got 5m for him. None of the outfield signings made under him at Liverpool remain 18 months later.

It's scant acheivement in 37 years of management. It wasn't that he didn't have the backing of Liverpool fans from the off but he lost it really quickly when he set the team up to get battered by Manchester City, he's a fraudI've watched him blame everyone for his own failings bar himself. Now I'm entirely indifferent to international football so don't really have an interest in how he does but he's going to find far more adverse press with England than he did with Liverpool.

Again it shows the stupidity of having an English manager top the criteria for the appointment

scspkr99 wrote:

Mehlovich wrote: I don't give a fuck who wins... Gotta admire City a bit for having every duche in football on one the same team though

when did they sign Terry?

PinUp wrote:So your a Liverpool fan? Makes sense why you don't like him now.

scspkr99 wrote:

PinUp wrote:So your a Liverpool fan? Makes sense why you don't like him now.

because I have experience of him managing a team that I support yeah

scspkr99 wrote:

PinUp wrote:So your a Liverpool fan? Makes sense why you don't like him now.

because I have experience of him managing a team that I support yeah

southstar wrote: Just out of interest, what are your thoughts on the excellent team King Kenny has put together?

PinUp wrote: I think he just didn't suit liverpool as a club. At west brom we love him, very sad to see him go really, maybe we can have Di Matteo back

scspkr99 wrote:

PinUp wrote: I think he just didn't suit liverpool as a club. At west brom we love him, very sad to see him go really, maybe we can have Di Matteo back

I think Di Matteo was trying to do good stuff with West Brom but Hodgson has done well there. My issue is not with the fact that Hodgson has been given the job, I'm largely indifferent to international football so don't really care, my issue is how the Press and FA have managed to make being English a condition despite the records of recent English Managers being worse than their non English counterparts while in the Englad job

scspkr99 wrote:

southstar wrote: Just out of interest, what are your thoughts on the excellent team King Kenny has put together?

if you want an honest answer you're probably better off asking a non weighted question if you want to get a rise out of me you're probably best directing your attention elsewhere

southstar wrote:Not looking for a rise, just interested to know whether he's still immune to criticism from Liverpool fans because of his legendary status

PinUp wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:

PinUp wrote: I think he just didn't suit liverpool as a club. At west brom we love him, very sad to see him go really, maybe we can have Di Matteo back

I think Di Matteo was trying to do good stuff with West Brom but Hodgson has done well there. My issue is not with the fact that Hodgson has been given the job, I'm largely indifferent to international football so don't really care, my issue is how the Press and FA have managed to make being English a condition despite the records of recent English Managers being worse than their non English counterparts while in the Englad job

I get what you're saying. I think the FA crumble under pressure from the press though, once all the tabloids say they want an englishman for the job the FA set about pleasing them regardless of how it may effect the team.

garethom wrote:

PinUp wrote:

scspkr99 wrote:

PinUp wrote: I think he just didn't suit liverpool as a club. At west brom we love him, very sad to see him go really, maybe we can have Di Matteo back

I think Di Matteo was trying to do good stuff with West Brom but Hodgson has done well there. My issue is not with the fact that Hodgson has been given the job, I'm largely indifferent to international football so don't really care, my issue is how the Press and FA have managed to make being English a condition despite the records of recent English Managers being worse than their non English counterparts while in the Englad job

I get what you're saying. I think the FA crumble under pressure from the press though, once all the tabloids say they want an englishman for the job the FA set about pleasing them regardless of how it may effect the team.

I do think that national football should be about representing the best of the nation at the given time, players, coaches, physios, managers, scouts. It's almost like, what's the point? If the guy in charge of the players is an Italian, what's the point? Where does it stop? If we can have a Spanish manager, why not get some Spanish players? Understand that probably nobody here will agree with me, but I think it devalues the whole affair.

garethom wrote: I do think that national football should be about representing the best of the nation at the given time, players, coaches, physios, managers, scouts. It's almost like, what's the point? If the guy in charge of the players is an Italian, what's the point? Where does it stop? If we can have a Spanish manager, why not get some Spanish players? Understand that probably nobody here will agree with me, but I think it devalues the whole affair.

scspkr99 wrote:

garethom wrote: I do think that national football should be about representing the best of the nation at the given time, players, coaches, physios, managers, scouts. It's almost like, what's the point? If the guy in charge of the players is an Italian, what's the point? Where does it stop? If we can have a Spanish manager, why not get some Spanish players? Understand that probably nobody here will agree with me, but I think it devalues the whole affair.

I'm not in a poisition to argue because I'm not a fan of international football. That said it seems that English FA would impose a criteria on themselves making it harder than other nations.

However it was felt in Liverpool that the press called for Hodgson to be given the job in an attempt to move English managers into bigger jobs in advance of having a number of managers to fill the job of Capello. I think there's a little Englander mentality in among a lot of the press and as a result the relative strengths of English managers are overstated.

Where's Curbishly?

scspkr99 wrote: That said it seems that English FA would impose a criteria on themselves making it harder than other nations.

magma wrote:Even as a wishy-washy no-borders hippified liberal, I have to say I think that International coaches should come from the country they're representing. If the squad has to have a passport, then so should the guy telling them how to play.

garethom wrote: That said it seems that English FA would impose a criteria on themselves making it harder than other nations.

magma wrote:Even as a wishy-washy no-borders hippified liberal, I have to say I think that International coaches should come from the country they're representing. If the squad has to have a passport, then so should the guy telling them how to play.

jazzamataz wrote:KOLN website has just anounced Poldi as an Arsenal player

PinUp wrote:
I think some of the developing countries might struggle to find a manager with any capability though.