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skrillex reminds me of this track so much

I noticed whilst speaking to many of my yank friends that they weren't truly aware of the origin of dubstep, to them it has always been (and most likely always will be) the screaming womp womp zzzeididibn of Skrillex. Many were quite surprised that early a lot of early dubstep was largely inspired by dub itself, despite the obvious genre name. Now this isn't a thread to bash such and such or another, I'm just interested in hearing peoples opinions of why dubstep turned from El-B into Skrillex, and when it did so? A musical history if you will.

it happened because americans got a hold of it, and since the USA is all about making things bigger and exploiting them for all theyre worth, the genre was raped for all it was good for, and is now the electronic version of death metal.


or maybe im just grumpy.


keep the sub vibes alive, my fellow heads.

It's cos the mad doktor Coki was in the studio coming out with some crazy sounds, and then people started to think that these sounds were 'filthy' and able to make your face gurn. People then loved the feeling of gurning, but didn't want to shell out on some gear each time so instead just thought it would be cool to turn these interesting sounds into a shite, ear piercing mess.

Some of these dirty sounds are cool though.

Don't lump all us yanks together. I can't stand that shit.

u maek such a good point

i knever knew this b4

in b4 repost closure.

Nothing changed into anything. If you want the El-B sound, then there's still people out there, namely Sully.

Not like somebody came along and forced Digital Mystikz to start making brostep.

Also, the dub in the name dubstep doesn't refer to dub music, although there is undoubtedly some that is influenced by dub.

reanzstarr wrote:I noticed whilst speaking to many of my yank friends that they weren't truly aware of the origin of dubstep, to them it has always been (and most likely always will be) the screaming womp womp zzzeididibn of Skrillex. Many were quite surprised that early a lot of early dubstep was largely inspired by dub itself, despite the obvious genre name. Now this isn't a thread to bash such and such or another, I'm just interested in hearing peoples opinions of why dubstep turned from El-B into Skrillex, and when it did so? A musical history if you will.

dubstep inspired by dub? why i never would have thought.....

garethom wrote:Nothing changed into anything. If you want the El-B sound, then there's still people out there, namely Sully.

Not like somebody came along and forced Digital Mystikz to start making brostep.

Also, the dub in the name dubstep doesn't refer to dub music, although there is undoubtedly some that is influenced by dub.

It must do partly. How else do you explain the whole 'it was a toss up between raggage and dubstep' thing? It has in common with dub a far more pronounced bass and a greater focus on sound systems than garage had. And even the early dubstep tracks had this. I know it partly comes from the whole dub as an instrumental thing but you can't say it has nothing to do with dub. Didn't Hatcha coin the term 'dubstep' to describe the dubby 2-step records Benny Ill was bringing into Big Apple early on?

leyenda303 wrote:

garethom wrote:Nothing changed into anything. If you want the El-B sound, then there's still people out there, namely Sully.

Not like somebody came along and forced Digital Mystikz to start making brostep.

Also, the dub in the name dubstep doesn't refer to dub music, although there is undoubtedly some that is influenced by dub.

It must do partly. How else do you explain the whole 'it was a toss up between raggage and dubstep' thing? It has in common with dub a far more pronounced bass and a greater focus on sound systems than garage had. And even the early dubstep tracks had this. I know it partly comes from the whole dub as an instrumental thing but you can't say it has nothing to do with dub. Didn't Hatcha coin the term 'dubstep' to describe the dubby 2-step records Benny Ill was bringing into Big Apple early on?

I did say that some of it is influenced by Dub man, just not the name. As far as I'm aware (maybe someone more involved in the early days can correct me) was that yeah, it came from the dub side of the 2-step records.

You think stuff like "Skank", "Red", "The Judgement" sound like Dub music? I dunno, don't wanna get into a war about semantics. My point was about the OP acting like most of the early dubstep producers were making King Tubby-esque sounds haha.

Lectric wrote:it happened because americans got a hold of it, and since the USA is all about making things bigger and exploiting them for all theyre worth, the genre was raped for all it was good for, and is now the electronic version of death metal.


or maybe im just grumpy.


keep the sub vibes alive, my fellow heads.

I mean the US has really taken the sound and ran with it but it didn't originate here. Flux and doctor P are both from England, and Datsik is from canada. That being said, a lot of the terrible "filthy" dubstep comes from the US today.

garethom wrote:

leyenda303 wrote:

garethom wrote:Nothing changed into anything. If you want the El-B sound, then there's still people out there, namely Sully.

Not like somebody came along and forced Digital Mystikz to start making brostep.

Also, the dub in the name dubstep doesn't refer to dub music, although there is undoubtedly some that is influenced by dub.

It must do partly. How else do you explain the whole 'it was a toss up between raggage and dubstep' thing? It has in common with dub a far more pronounced bass and a greater focus on sound systems than garage had. And even the early dubstep tracks had this. I know it partly comes from the whole dub as an instrumental thing but you can't say it has nothing to do with dub. Didn't Hatcha coin the term 'dubstep' to describe the dubby 2-step records Benny Ill was bringing into Big Apple early on?

I did say that some of it is influenced by Dub man, just not the name. As far as I'm aware (maybe someone more involved in the early days can correct me) was that yeah, it came from the dub side of the 2-step records.

You think stuff like "Skank", "Red", "The Judgement" sound like Dub music? I dunno, don't wanna get into a war about semantics. My point was about the OP acting like most of the early dubstep producers were making King Tubby-esque sounds haha.

Nah, I agree with you man that there is and always has been dubstep that hasn't been overtly dub influenced. But using dub in the instrumental sense comes from dub music in the first place where it's a case of taking reggae, removing the vocals and bringing the bass and percussion of the track to the fore. This same approach, borrowed from dub, was a defining feature of dubstep. I see why you corrected the guy though as the way as the way he was talking did make it sound like they were solely king tubby clones at the beginning

leyenda303 wrote:

garethom wrote:

leyenda303 wrote:

garethom wrote:Nothing changed into anything. If you want the El-B sound, then there's still people out there, namely Sully.

Not like somebody came along and forced Digital Mystikz to start making brostep.

Also, the dub in the name dubstep doesn't refer to dub music, although there is undoubtedly some that is influenced by dub.

It must do partly. How else do you explain the whole 'it was a toss up between raggage and dubstep' thing? It has in common with dub a far more pronounced bass and a greater focus on sound systems than garage had. And even the early dubstep tracks had this. I know it partly comes from the whole dub as an instrumental thing but you can't say it has nothing to do with dub. Didn't Hatcha coin the term 'dubstep' to describe the dubby 2-step records Benny Ill was bringing into Big Apple early on?

I did say that some of it is influenced by Dub man, just not the name. As far as I'm aware (maybe someone more involved in the early days can correct me) was that yeah, it came from the dub side of the 2-step records.

You think stuff like "Skank", "Red", "The Judgement" sound like Dub music? I dunno, don't wanna get into a war about semantics. My point was about the OP acting like most of the early dubstep producers were making King Tubby-esque sounds haha.

Nah, I agree with you man that there is and always has been dubstep that hasn't been overtly dub influenced. But using dub in the instrumental sense comes from dub music in the first place where it's a case of taking reggae, removing the vocals and bringing the bass and percussion of the track to the fore. This same approach, borrowed from dub, was a defining feature of dubstep. I see why you corrected the guy though as the way as the way he was talking did make it sound like they were solely king tubby clones at the beginning

Ahh yeah, I guess so, that's a good point. Was thinking purely in terms of name rather than techniques used.

Lectric wrote:it happened because americans got a hold of it, and since the USA is all about making things bigger and exploiting them for all theyre worth, the genre was raped for all it was good for, and is now the electronic version of death metal.


or maybe im just grumpy.


keep the sub vibes alive, my fellow heads.

ya, cuz death metal is such a sell out genre haha

DO YOU GUYS REALLY THINK THE ONE WHO MUST NOT BE NAMED IS THE DUBSTEP CANCER?


Let's have a thread with more than 9000 pages about this, huh ?



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I saw a promo movie of the "Khadafi Dub" collective that is organising this. There literally wasn't a single dubstep tune in that movie. And I'm not even distinguishing between bro and dubstep, really no dubstep at all.

Booked my flight from the UK. US dubstep FTW!