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I've been off work for a week so me and the Mrs have been watching a lot of films. Highlights included:
Casino


Cape Fear


Also watched end of watch, I'm not really sure if I enjoyed it or not though.....

I still think a lot his stuff is timeless:



IT'S YO ASS!

Nope. Not even a giggle.
I'm sure it was hilarious in 1970-something.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:There is a difference between saying racist things and being a racist. Richard Pryor and Louis CK had kids to woman of a different race, so it's hard to define them as racist. If you don't get that type of comedy then, you've missed the point of it.

I get it just fine and again, I'm not calling either of them a racist, I just think this sort of comedy is a pretty unhealthy aspect of modern society and will perpetuate the weirdness about race that America has been struggling so hard to get away from for the last 50 years.

Family Guy does exactly the same thing - yeah, it is funny in the short term, but I'm not convinced it's very healthy in the long. We're encouraged to see each other as inherently different... even if just in comedic ways, that can't be a good thing.

magma wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:There is a difference between saying racist things and being a racist. Richard Pryor and Louis CK had kids to woman of a different race, so it's hard to define them as racist. If you don't get that type of comedy then, you've missed the point of it.

I get it just fine and again, I'm not calling either of them a racist, I just think this sort of comedy is a pretty unhealthy aspect of modern society and will perpetuate the weirdness about race that America has been struggling so hard to get away from for the last 50 years.

Family Guy does exactly the same thing - yeah, it is funny in the short term, but I'm not convinced it's very healthy in the long. We're encouraged to see each other as inherently different... even if just in comedic ways, that can't be a good thing.

I agree with you. But for arguments sake it could be looked at that those comedians are making fun of cultural differences rather than skin colour, and if it gets to the point that you can't joke about cultural stereotypes then there won't be much comedy (i.e. could end up not being PC to have Nathan Barley taking the piss of hipsters or The Thick Of It making fun of politicians)

magma wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:There is a difference between saying racist things and being a racist. Richard Pryor and Louis CK had kids to woman of a different race, so it's hard to define them as racist. If you don't get that type of comedy then, you've missed the point of it.

I get it just fine and again, I'm not calling either of them a racist, I just think this sort of comedy is a pretty unhealthy aspect of modern society and will perpetuate the weirdness about race that America has been struggling so hard to get away from for the last 50 years.

Family Guy does exactly the same thing - yeah, it is funny in the short term, but I'm not convinced it's very healthy in the long. We're encouraged to see each other as inherently different... even if just in comedic ways, that can't be a good thing.

I'd say about 80% of my friends are black or mixed race and we have no problem having an inside joke about the cultural differences, one of my friends even jokingly starts his to txt's to me with 'thieving whiteman' and I play on ridiculous stereotypes of black guys BUT the second I hear any real racism being used with malice towards or about another race, you will know my true feelings on the subject and I think that's it, it's the intent. But having humour about things helps break down racial barriers that are often non-existent in the first place.

Richard Pryor = Not Racist (If you watch ALL of his stand-up you will often hear him condemning real racism)
Chubby Brown = Fat Racist

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

magma wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:There is a difference between saying racist things and being a racist. Richard Pryor and Louis CK had kids to woman of a different race, so it's hard to define them as racist. If you don't get that type of comedy then, you've missed the point of it.

I get it just fine and again, I'm not calling either of them a racist, I just think this sort of comedy is a pretty unhealthy aspect of modern society and will perpetuate the weirdness about race that America has been struggling so hard to get away from for the last 50 years.

Family Guy does exactly the same thing - yeah, it is funny in the short term, but I'm not convinced it's very healthy in the long. We're encouraged to see each other as inherently different... even if just in comedic ways, that can't be a good thing.

I'd say about 80% of my friends are black or mixed race and we have no problem having an inside joke about the cultural differences, one of my friends even jokingly starts his to txt's to me with 'thieving whiteman' and I play on ridiculous stereotypes of black guys BUT the second I hear any real racism being used with malice towards or about another race, you will know my true feelings on the subject and I think that's it, it's the intent. But having humour about things helps break down racial barriers that are often non-existent in the first place.

I can see that take. I don't agree with it, but I can see why it would be logical.

My opinions are based on watching Richard Pryor quite recently with my African American girlfriend and are largely in line with the main reasons she prefers living in England than North Carolina. We're not obsessed with the subject over here - they still are over there. Even if it's just pointing out the hilarious differences in the way we walk, it still allows people to make snap judgements about each other based on race - the comedian almost certainly doesn't mean to have that effect, but it happens.

On this side of the pond, Richard Ayoade, for instance, doesn't seem to feel the need to go on about the colour of his skin all the time. He's just funny in a 2010s sort of way.

magma wrote:We're not obsessed with the subject over here - they still are over there.

I don't know, where I've grown up it is and that was is one of the most diverse parts of the country.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

magma wrote:We're not obsessed with the subject over here - they still are over there.

I don't know, where I've grown up it is and that was is one of the most diverse parts of the country.

Do people regularly fly flags outside their houses in mixed neighbourhoods to show that they think slavery should never have been abolished?

Because I've never seen that in England and that was the first thing that sprang to mind when I asked my lady "What don't you miss about America".

Of course, we're no paragon of perfection - nowhere is and individuals will always find reasons to hate each other; but it's not the daily conversation that it is in America over here. We have our issues, but I don't think our culture leans towards cultural segregation the way that it does across the pond.

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magma wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

magma wrote:We're not obsessed with the subject over here - they still are over there.

I don't know, where I've grown up it is and that was is one of the most diverse parts of the country.

Do people regularly fly flags outside their houses in mixed neighbourhoods to show that they think slavery should never have been abolished?

Because I've never seen that in England and that was the first thing that sprang to mind when I asked my lady "What don't you miss about America".

Of course, we're no paragon of perfection - nowhere is and individuals will always find reasons to hate each other; but it's not the daily conversation that it is in America over here. We have our issues, but I don't think our culture leans towards cultural segregation the way that it does across the pond.

Nah but you can go into some areas where some in muslim communities refer to them as 'no go' areas for whites, you can go into a 'Red Lion' type pub and hear the 'n' word being used casually to describe a black football player or hear parents on certain council estates spouting 'It's all these paki's comin' over ere'. You only have to look how many young black kids are racially profiled by police in inner city areas with the stop'n'search shit, so the problems are probably relative in term of the size of the two countries.

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Pedro Sánchez wrote:Nah but you can go into some areas where some in muslim communities refer to them as 'no go' areas for whites, you can go into a 'Red Lion' type pub and hear the 'n' word being used casually to describe a black football player or hear parents on certain council estates spouting 'It's all these paki's comin' over ere'. You only have to look how many young black kids are racially profiled by police in inner city areas with the stop'n'search shit, so the problems are probably relative in term of the size of the two countries.

I don't think you'll ever stamp out actual racism. Some people are just stnuc. If they keep themselves to their own pubs then it doesn't really bother me - society knows that they're wrong'ns and they're just as disenfranchised as the people they're trying to disenfranchise. It'd be nice if they all disappeared forever, but racists have been around for thousands of years. I don't think we'll ever create a rainbow Utopia.

The point I'm trying to make is about the casual level at which cultural differences are attributed to race. It's a subtle thing that I'm clearly not getting across very well. It's not the existence of the BNP, the Ku Klux Klan or the Nation of Islam that cause problems in 2013 - they're all completely toothless. "Real" racism has been largely stamped out and replaced with a much more insidious form of misinformation - the idea that being born with a certain colour skin affects your culture. That White men can't jump, dance. That black men are stronger, more aggressive or have big dicks. That Asian kids are good at Maths or that Jews (arguably not even really a race) are obsessed with money.

As ideas they're not that personally harmful, but equally they add absloutely nothing to society yet leave us all with a knee-jerk ability to prejudge people based on their skin type - as long as we keep calling each other "different" some areas of society will assume different equals "worse". Why would we want to keep that meme alive? Why not just.... stop going on about it?

Richard Pryor was part of an incredibly important time - I'd defend almost everything in his act at the time it was said, but I wouldn't encourage my kids to watch it out of anything other than historical curiosity.

"This is the way the world used to be. It was awful."

Who are the racists again? Black or white?

magma wrote: Family Guy does exactly the same thing - yeah, it is funny in the short term, but I'm not convinced it's very healthy in the long. We're encouraged to see each other as inherently different... even if just in comedic ways, that can't be a good thing.

true that, they dont even take it to stupid extremes or something to show they are just taking the piss like some other shows and comedians do. its just got repetitive as a show nowadays anyway

edit: finally got round to watching Human Traffic, bit over the top at times I thought but overall quite good

joeki wrote:

cloquet wrote:Noe just seems to me like a textbook case of style over substance.

I'm inclined to agree

still better than fucking Drive


IMO YEA

JizzMan wrote:finally got round to watching Human Traffic, bit over the top at times I thought but overall quite good

Perhaps Danny Dyer's only good role in a film.

Edit: Football Factory wasn't bad.

Eyes Wide Shut. Thought it was pretty good but certainly not one of Kubrick's best.

TopManLurka wrote:

JizzMan wrote:finally got round to watching Human Traffic, bit over the top at times I thought but overall quite good

Perhaps Danny Dyer's only good role in a film.

Edit: Football Factory wasn't bad.

Football factory is a masterpiece

CASHUAL SEX WATERED DAAN LARGA HEAVILY CUT DRUGS AND ACASSIONALLY KICKIN FACK OUTA SAMWUN

somewhat ashamed to say, i must have seen football factory 10-15 times. Was addicted to Football hooliganism films ages 18 after i watched I.D and he Firm.

watchable Danny Dyer films:





Kinda terrible but loved the 80s vibe:



this is truly awful but i liked the location (2001 Ibiza) and got some small lolz: