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ehbrums1 wrote:reason is still the undisputed king

No ones doubting that. Sometimes I feel like playing around with some vsts, but after 30 minutes I already
miss the freedom you have in Reason.

lol sounds like propellorhead has reallly gotten to you...

"I MISS THE FREEDOM!!!"

Phigure wrote:lol sounds like propellorhead has reallly gotten to you...

"I MISS THE FREEDOM!!!"

They got to me by making a top daw.
If you know your shit (vital imo) you'll find plenty of problems with Live for example. Only one major problem with
Logic and also plenty with Cubase.

But as Josh Holmes once said: no one knows.

As someone who owns both, I have to say, Logic > Reason. But I only have Reason 5 so maybe they improved it in the newer versions.

AxeD wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:reason is still the undisputed king

No ones doubting that. Sometimes I feel like playing around with some vsts, but after 30 minutes I already
miss the freedom you have in Reason.

Freedom? But it doesn't support VSTs and can't do anything that another DAW can't do, so how do you miss the freedom?

As both a reason and an ableton user, i'd like to say that it was a royal pain for me to get used to ableton, because i missed the reason workflow so much. It's just so intuitive, so logical. It works so smooth, no cpu problems ever, no crashes, nothing. I could whip out melodies in the piano roll in a matter of seconds (i still struggle with this in Ableton - although i've come to prefer what ableton does in the arrange window). I think it's really just a matter of what you started with. I primarily use ableton now, and if i had started with it, i'd probably really dislike reason's workflow. But reason definitely lacks things other DAWs have been having for ages, and now they make up for this with the rack extensions, which are really kind of like vsts.

Reason's automation kicks ableton's ass though

REASON LOVE HEART LOVE HEART LOVE HEART.
I love it for the reasons mentioned by Rmonik but also because its the only "daw" i can run on my laptop lol. Malstrom is pretty damn sick but thor is just the most useful and intuitive synthesizer ever. Scream distortion is pretty awesome as well and i am yet to find anything as good (versatile) as that as a vst.

Gribble wrote:

AxeD wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:reason is still the undisputed king

No ones doubting that. Sometimes I feel like playing around with some vsts, but after 30 minutes I already
miss the freedom you have in Reason.

Freedom? But it doesn't support VSTs and can't do anything that another DAW can't do, so how do you miss the freedom?

You conveniently didn't quote the part where I said it's vital that you know shit about daws.

Gribble wrote: and can't do anything that another DAW can't do

examples please

ehbrums1 wrote:

Gribble wrote: and can't do anything that another DAW can't do

examples please

well what can you do in reason that you can't in another daw? apart from the instruments which are reason specific, it doesnt really have any capabilities that logic or cubase doesn't.

Yes it does, but you need to know about it.

That also indicates the difference between an argument or a debate and you talking crap.

Gribble wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:

Gribble wrote: and can't do anything that another DAW can't do

examples please

well what can you do in reason that you can't in another daw? apart from the instruments which are reason specific, it doesnt really have any capabilities that logic or cubase doesn't.

The patching and automation in reason is unmatched

AxeD wrote:Yes it does, but you need to know about it.

That also indicates the difference between an argument or a debate and you talking crap.

ive used reason and found it very limited. anyhow - fuck you, this is supposed to be a friendly debate. yet again i shared my opinion and someone was rude to me. so fuck you.

ehbrums1 wrote:

Gribble wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:

Gribble wrote: and can't do anything that another DAW can't do

examples please

well what can you do in reason that you can't in another daw? apart from the instruments which are reason specific, it doesnt really have any capabilities that logic or cubase doesn't.

The patching and automation in reason is unmatched

yeah the patching is fun, but automation? i can do that in any daw, how is it better in reason?

Well to begin just about everything you see on the screen can be automated, as well as it being only two clicks. Right click - automate. Done

reason is like lego some people are able to make and recreate any sound with it. so it kinda the best vst besides like reaktor

Gribble wrote:

AxeD wrote:Yes it does, but you need to know about it.

That also indicates the difference between an argument or a debate and you talking crap.

ive used reason and found it very limited. anyhow - fuck you, this is supposed to be a friendly debate. yet again i shared my opinion and someone was rude to me. so fuck you.

I never agreed to the terms of this debate. When futures opted to create a thread for it, the first thing I said
was and I quote: 'We should all gang up on Gribble and point out that he dun kno'.

Don't support his conspiracy delusions, you'll just egg him on!

I was just talking to my buddy who's getting into production about Reason. He was asking me what made it so great for a few minutes until he realized he mixed up Reason and Reaper. Hahah didn't know why he was so hellbent on quizzing me about it. Reason does have pretty cool routing though (although not as efficient and streamlined as Reaper's, but I can't measure Propellerheads up to such godlike stature, they're doing their own thing) Been a while since I fucked with it though, was right after Thor was introduced so V4 I think?

SunkLo wrote:
Don't support his conspiracy delusions, you'll just egg him on!

I was just talking to my buddy who's getting into production about Reason. He was asking me what made it so great for a few minutes until he realized he mixed up Reason and Reaper. Hahah didn't know why he was so hellbent on quizzing me about it. Reason does have pretty cool routing though (although not as efficient and streamlined as Reaper's, but I can't measure Propellerheads up to such godlike stature, they're doing their own thing) Been a while since I fucked with it though, was right after Thor was introduced so V4 I think?

cant you afford a real daw?

You just proved yourself as the ultimate wasteman with that comment.