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Sine69 wrote:I just (after 3 months of using Ableton) discovered that you can group tracks. My life is better already. I feel so organized

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also works within drum racks

In Sampler when you load a sample and set it on loop, and then play differant notes it fucks up the tempo. It speeds/slows the sample player to vary pitch, is this correct? How could i prevent the tempo changes? There so damn annoying, i cant really use sampler for anything but one-shots and really ambient pads. Unless i want my sound to be looping out of beat.

I haven't tried this yet but would it work if i came up with the midi pattern and then bounce it to an audio track? Then, i just time-stretch the new sample?

Redderious wrote:In Sampler when you load a sample and set it on loop, and then play differant notes it fucks up the tempo. It speeds/slows the sample player to vary pitch, is this correct? How could i prevent the tempo changes? There so damn annoying, i cant really use sampler for anything but one-shots and really ambient pads. Unless i want my sound to be looping out of beat.

I haven't tried this yet but would it work if i came up with the midi pattern and then bounce it to an audio track? Then, i just time-stretch the new sample?

to my knowledge, i don't there is anything you can do to stop this from happening, my only suggestion is to maybe use the sample as a 'clip' and loop it from there.

what are you looking to do with the sample anyway? is it a drum loop? a oneshot? synth pattern?

Im getting a sub bass out of a kick drum sample. Im doing this by just zooming in and looping a single sine wave, adding some filters, and yep. Theres a sub. Something is fucking with the attack though, and the gain changes on each different note. But its the same problem with notes that are the same. I've been trying to compress this out for 2 days now but im not getting the results im looking for. Either i find a way to get rid of this in the sampler, or i have a shyt ton of precise automation i have to do to equal this stuff out.

Redderious wrote:Im getting a sub bass out of a kick drum sample. Im doing this by just zooming in and looping a single sine wave, adding some filters, and yep. Theres a sub. Something is fucking with the attack though, and the gain changes on each different note. But its the same problem with notes that are the same. I've been trying to compress this out for 2 days now but im not getting the results im looking for. Either i find a way to get rid of this in the sampler, or i have a shyt ton of precise automation i have to do to equal this stuff out.

have you tried sticking it in simpler? as amazing as sampler is sometimes simpler is just what you need.

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Redderious wrote:Im getting a sub bass out of a kick drum sample. Im doing this by just zooming in and looping a single sine wave, adding some filters, and yep. Theres a sub. Something is fucking with the attack though, and the gain changes on each different note. But its the same problem with notes that are the same. I've been trying to compress this out for 2 days now but im not getting the results im looking for. Either i find a way to get rid of this in the sampler, or i have a shyt ton of precise automation i have to do to equal this stuff out.

have you tried sticking it in simpler? as amazing as sampler is sometimes simpler is just what you need.

Doesn't simpler transpose samples the same way though?

I'm trying this as we speak none the less

Redderious wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Redderious wrote:Im getting a sub bass out of a kick drum sample. Im doing this by just zooming in and looping a single sine wave, adding some filters, and yep. Theres a sub. Something is fucking with the attack though, and the gain changes on each different note. But its the same problem with notes that are the same. I've been trying to compress this out for 2 days now but im not getting the results im looking for. Either i find a way to get rid of this in the sampler, or i have a shyt ton of precise automation i have to do to equal this stuff out.

have you tried sticking it in simpler? as amazing as sampler is sometimes simpler is just what you need.

Doesn't simpler transpose samples the same way though?

I'm trying this as we speak none the less

so essentially youre trying to make an oscillator from a sample?

make sure you have both loop points on the zero-crossing on the waveform, and make sure there is n velocity sensitivity.

goodeh wrote:

Redderious wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Redderious wrote:Im getting a sub bass out of a kick drum sample. Im doing this by just zooming in and looping a single sine wave, adding some filters, and yep. Theres a sub. Something is fucking with the attack though, and the gain changes on each different note. But its the same problem with notes that are the same. I've been trying to compress this out for 2 days now but im not getting the results im looking for. Either i find a way to get rid of this in the sampler, or i have a shyt ton of precise automation i have to do to equal this stuff out.

have you tried sticking it in simpler? as amazing as sampler is sometimes simpler is just what you need.

Doesn't simpler transpose samples the same way though?

I'm trying this as we speak none the less

so essentially youre trying to make an oscillator from a sample?

make sure you have both loop points on the zero-crossing on the waveform, and make sure there is n velocity sensitivity.

Exactly.

I'm using a computer keyboard as a keyboard hah.

First post! Hi!

So I don't understand how I can process an individual pad in a drum rack, seperately than another pad.

It might be of note that I want to layer that pad.

If it's not possible, I figure i'll just move them across the rack and midi sequence everything... layer for it to play during that and just put my utility plug in on each channel...

Seems like it's so hard to do drums in this program, but everything else swims.

OR.

Maybe impulse is for me instead of drum rack?

Any ideas?

in drumrack you can easily process each pad as its own separate channel.

as soon as you have 2 samples loaded into drumrack, Live automatically adds a triangle to the top of your Drumrack channel (in the session view only, not viewable in arrangement) which is how you expand your view of Drumrack to see the individual channels for each pad.

only the number of pads that have samples loaded will show up as channels.

Oh my god you just channnged my liffffeeeeeeee.

And I just saw this video here, which also did.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-_g7MRerH0

ohemgee.

Thanks xrylex. Soso much.

man is badman



dun changed the game

Is it worth it to upgrade to the Suite?

Sine69 wrote:Is it worth it to upgrade to the Suite?

i think so but then i bum operator.

Redderious wrote:

goodeh wrote:

Redderious wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Redderious wrote:Im getting a sub bass out of a kick drum sample. Im doing this by just zooming in and looping a single sine wave, adding some filters, and yep. Theres a sub. Something is fucking with the attack though, and the gain changes on each different note. But its the same problem with notes that are the same. I've been trying to compress this out for 2 days now but im not getting the results im looking for. Either i find a way to get rid of this in the sampler, or i have a shyt ton of precise automation i have to do to equal this stuff out.

have you tried sticking it in simpler? as amazing as sampler is sometimes simpler is just what you need.

Doesn't simpler transpose samples the same way though?

I'm trying this as we speak none the less

so essentially youre trying to make an oscillator from a sample?

make sure you have both loop points on the zero-crossing on the waveform, and make sure there is n velocity sensitivity.

Exactly.

I'm using a computer keyboard as a keyboard hah.

I do this all the time for the beat comps here and typically get pretty good results.

My process is typically:
1. Loop a cycle. Now, it depends on the frequency of that cycle but sometimes it's better to loop over a few and you'll probably notice the fundamental and harmonic frequencies change dramatically as you do this. I try and get as few harmonics as possible, and also try and get as close to middle C as possible.
2. Use spectrum to tune the fundamental frequency to middle C. Be precise so you don't have to worry about tuning later.
3. Put a high-Q bandpass filter on the fundamental frequency to remove as many harmonics as possible.
4. Record a few bars of just middle C, freeze+flatten.
5. Chuck your new audio clip into a sampler and you should have a pretty tight sine wave.
6. Transpose down a couple octaves and you have a sub.

If you've done this right, and what you originally looped was pretty sine-ish, you should have a sub that will sound pretty good in the mix.

Just a note; Samplers pitch samples around by speeding up the sample, that's what they do and always have done. If you want to transpose and keep the same length of audio, you've gotta timestretch. Rather than timestretch a sample for each note, you can do it for few over a couple octaves and then use the samplers zoning to make a multisampled instrument.

There shouldn't be any gain changes dependent on the note, unless you have a filter. Which is one of the reasons you should resample your perfect sine, if you didn't, that high-Q bp would be useless as soon as you played something other than what you tuned it to.

I've never really used harmonics on my subs. Usually i just keep it a single sine with precise filtering. EQ it and then compress it and usually i have a somewhat decent sub. But all this info is great, thank ya buddy

Using the zoning feature to layer my samples is a great idea!!! I've never thought of this before, but i can actually pull some pretty decent results if i tried this. Your idea is being put to use!

I do this all the time for the beat comps here and typically get pretty good results.

My process is typically:
1. Loop a cycle. Now, it depends on the frequency of that cycle but sometimes it's better to loop over a few and you'll probably notice the fundamental and harmonic frequencies change dramatically as you do this. I try and get as few harmonics as possible, and also try and get as close to middle C as possible.
2. Use spectrum to tune the fundamental frequency to middle C. Be precise so you don't have to worry about tuning later.
3. Put a high-Q bandpass filter on the fundamental frequency to remove as many harmonics as possible.
4. Record a few bars of just middle C, freeze+flatten.
5. Chuck your new audio clip into a sampler and you should have a pretty tight sine wave.
6. Transpose down a couple octaves and you have a sub.


" Rather than timestretch a sample for each note, you can do it for few over a couple octaves and then use the samplers zoning to make a multisampled instrument. "

There shouldn't be any gain changes dependent on the note, unless you have a filter. Which is one of the reasons you should resample your perfect sine, if you didn't, that high-Q bp would be useless as soon as you played something other than what you tuned it to.[/quote]

Redderious wrote:I've never really used harmonics on my subs. Usually i just keep it a single sine with precise filtering. EQ it and then compress it and usually i have a somewhat decent sub. But all this info is great, thank ya buddy

Yeah, you probably don't want harmonics. But you're almost certainly not going to get a pure tone out of looping a sine wave. Which is why I use a high-Q BP filter on the fundamental frequency I want.

Gusto wrote:

Redderious wrote:I've never really used harmonics on my subs. Usually i just keep it a single sine with precise filtering. EQ it and then compress it and usually i have a somewhat decent sub. But all this info is great, thank ya buddy

Yeah, you probably don't want harmonics. But you're almost certainly not going to get a pure tone out of looping a sine wave. Which is why I use a high-Q BP filter on the fundamental frequency I want.

I've eq'd it well with pro-q. I finished the sub and im using the same sampler method to make a little mid-range btw. But after compressing and Leveling everything up a bit it sounds like its missing some of its..dimension. I guess you could say it's sounding a bit flat. It wasn't over-compressed though, and the eqing is fine, but it just almost sounds as if it needs to be layered more? Or something just really needs to be added, like an effect, to beef it up a bit.

I have a question with using massive in ableton. i cant find a way to adjust the sync ratio in Ableton's session view. Obviously I can find it on Massive but that's not helpful because I dont want to make a ton of Massive tracks for each sync rate. Please help!!!

Infinite BC wrote:I have a question with using massive in ableton. i cant find a way to adjust the sync ratio in Ableton's session view. Obviously I can find it on Massive but that's not helpful because I dont want to make a ton of Massive tracks for each sync rate. Please help!!!

Use the configure button on the device title bar, then you can click the rate on massive and it will be added to the device box and should appear in the automation parameter list. MOD5-DEN i think it's called.