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Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:07 pm**

I am an incredibly big nerd/collector of emo.

(this thread is for emo not "emo", as in the spin off movement from Hardcore Punk)

favourite bands from each era?
80s rev summer, mid 90s (definitive emo I guess), screamo/"emo violence", and the modern emo revival stuff?

Im a big fan of..

The Faith - Subject to Change ... probably the first proper proto emo band, they became Embrace, and you can hear it on this record

Mohinder - discography .. massive fan of Mohinder and all the early Gravity records bands, the pure chaos mixed with decent production makes this record a keyboard smasher

Hassan I Sabbah 7" .... absolutely banging Screamo, really OTT but the lyrics never go ULTRA CHEESEY like their contemparys

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 2:32 pm**

Rites Of Spring >>>>>>>

For Want Of is one of my favourite songs ever from one of my favourite albums.

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 3:13 pm**

this and your sig makes you a winner

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 4:55 pm**

What about Minor Threat?

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 5:49 pm**

Minor Threat = emo? nah DC hardcore was where the emo scene originally appeared from though

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:34 pm**

Joe C wrote:Minor Threat = emo? nah DC hardcore was where the emo scene originally appeared from though

What?!

Ian Mckaye is the godfather of emo. If it wasn't for Ian we'd have no H.I.M, My Chemical Romance, NIN or Bullet For My Valentine.

All praise Ian!

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 7:42 pm**

ok, so i've listened.
questions:

what makes this stylistically different from what i call "Noise" bands?
people like Trumans Water etc...?

from the gigs and the mayhem it cud quite easily be a Trumans Water gig in most cases

so im guessing its more a matter of "what the songs are about"?

So yeh what makes it "emo", and what does that mean?

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:11 pm**

gav, do you have a tape player, Ill make you an emo tape.

emo is basically a chaotic offshoot of Hardcore, it's kinda meant to be ultra melodic and ultra noisy at once, that's about as stylistic as you can explain

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:13 pm**

gav, do you have a tape player, Ill make you an emo tape.

emo is basically a chaotic offshoot of Hardcore, it's kinda meant to be ultra melodic and ultra noisy at once, that's about as stylistic as you can explain

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 8:56 pm**

Godflesh Fiend wrote:
Joe C wrote:Minor Threat = emo? nah DC hardcore was where the emo scene originally appeared from though
What?!

Ian Mckaye is the godfather of emo. If it wasn't for Ian we'd have no H.I.M, My Chemical Romance, NIN or Bullet For My Valentine.

All praise Ian!

Ian MacKaye is the godfather of emo because of Embrace and if it weren't for him we wouldn't have the Swing Kids, Heroin, Native Nod or Policy of Three. I don't see how any of the bands you've mentioned are related to this thread at all.

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:21 pm**

Genevieve wrote:
Godflesh Fiend wrote:
Joe C wrote:Minor Threat = emo? nah DC hardcore was where the emo scene originally appeared from though
What?!

Ian Mckaye is the godfather of emo. If it wasn't for Ian we'd have no H.I.M, My Chemical Romance, NIN or Bullet For My Valentine.

All praise Ian!
Ian MacKaye is the godfather of emo because of Embrace and if it weren't for him we wouldn't have the Swing Kids, Heroin, Native Nod or Policy of Three. I don't see how any of the bands you've mentioned are related to this thread at all.

Dont feed the troll!

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 9:59 pm**

Joe C wrote:
Genevieve wrote:
Godflesh Fiend wrote:
Joe C wrote:Minor Threat = emo? nah DC hardcore was where the emo scene originally appeared from though
What?!

Ian Mckaye is the godfather of emo. If it wasn't for Ian we'd have no H.I.M, My Chemical Romance, NIN or Bullet For My Valentine.

All praise Ian!
Ian MacKaye is the godfather of emo because of Embrace and if it weren't for him we wouldn't have the Swing Kids, Heroin, Native Nod or Policy of Three. I don't see how any of the bands you've mentioned are related to this thread at all.
Dont feed the troll!

That's all I had to say. B-] I wasn't gonna discuss anything with him, woulda been a bit of a waste of time.

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:14 pm**

Joe C wrote:gav, do you have a tape player, Ill make you an emo tape.

emo is basically a chaotic offshoot of Hardcore, it's kinda meant to be ultra melodic and ultra noisy at once, that's about as stylistic as you can explain

does a bear like to shit in the woods?

ok so what defines "hardcore" seeing as to me hardcore = hoovers, pianos, breakbeats and sub.

is it just punk? or whats the diff from punk? (except the obvious lack of mohicans)

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 10:36 pm**

DJ Whistla wrote:
Joe C wrote:gav, do you have a tape player, Ill make you an emo tape.

emo is basically a chaotic offshoot of Hardcore, it's kinda meant to be ultra melodic and ultra noisy at once, that's about as stylistic as you can explain
does a bear like to shit in the woods?

ok so what defines "hardcore" seeing as to me hardcore = hoovers, pianos, breakbeats and sub.

is it just punk? or whats the diff from punk? (except the obvious lack of mohicans)

Hardcore has different meanings depending on context. In hip-hop it's Onyx, in electronic music it's breakbeat hardcore/rave or hardcore techno and yeah.. in rock music it's hardcore punk.

Basically punk but.. more hardcore. There's a number of subgenres of hardcore punk:

*..Hardcore punk - basically the standard stuff. Black Flag? Minor Threat? Bad Brains? Shit everyone knows, basically. Nothing inherently wrong with it.
*Thrashcore - hardcore but even faster... though early on in the history of hardcore punk, hardcore and 'thrash' were used synonymously. Bands like Siege, Larm, Seein'Red, Gauze, Hellnation, Jellyroll Rockheads...
*Grindcore - short songs, a grinding guitar sound, shouted or growled lyrics, was first played by a Dutch hardcore punk band called Larm. Was popularized by the metal influenced band Napalm Death, who got attention from the metal scene, so since then, fast death metal is wrongfully called grind as well. Some key bands: Cyanamid, Larm, Napalm Death, Denak, Despise You, Fear Of God, Impetigo, Insect Warfare
*Powerviolence - a very dynamic type of hardcore, can go from slow/sludgy riffs to 240 bpms within a second. Was first played by a band called Infest, name was coined by Eric Wood from Man Is the Bastard and the style was popularized by Spazz. Mostly a west coast/'90s thing, but it's being played again by a new wave of hardcore punk bands from the USA.
*Crust punk - originally played by Amebix, a noisy style of hardcore punk influenced by metal
*Japanese hardcore - kinda vague, especially since this can be characterized by two different types of punk bands. Basically, there is stuff like GISM, who played Judas Priest influenced hardcore punk. There's also Confuse.. I guess you can call it 'noise punk' if you will, it's noisy as fuck, thin, harsh guitar feedback replaces powerful guitars as lead instrument. That's the main types of Japanese hardcore. Both are amazing.
*D-beat - Discharge and every band that sounds like them. Has a distinctive drumbeat style called.. yes, a D-beat.
*NYHC - From.. NY, largely metal influenced (some shit classified as NYHC is more tough guy metal than anything, I'd say). Shouted lyrics, lots of focus on groove and breakdowns. Cro-Mags, Agnostic Front, etc. Not the biggest fan of the style myself.

Some key bands:

Gauze
Hellnation
Insect Warfare
Confuse
And my favorite punk band from my favorite punk scene:
Capitalist Casualties

Emo, post-hardcore and math rock evolved out of DC style hardcore (from Washington DC, centered around the Dischord label) and early on, those 3 styles were pretty similar. Mostly, emo is hardcore in attitude rather than style. Punk played by kids who were sick of playing punk, if you will. More dynamic, more structured, more melodic. Clean singing (or 'poor attempts' at it -- which sounded endearing, I'd say) wasn't uncommon either. You can tell when you hear emo mostly by the dynamics and chord progressions.

Posted: **Wed Aug 12, 2009 11:50 pm**

I heard an amazing scandiniavian crust band called 'Stone the Crows' (I think). Sickest shit man I swear, everything under a minute but totally raging, almost like Black Metal

There's another unreal Crust band that sound proper Black Metal. 'Sink' they're called, from Finland. Go from filthy crust down to slow as fuck doom in the same song

Talking of Emo, slightly different kind of Emo but I saw Mark Kozeleck from Red House Painters playing at a church in Islington the other week and he was amazing. Can't believe I managed to see him play

Posted: **Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:05 am**

Feed me.

Posted: **Thu Aug 13, 2009 12:55 pm**

I've been a big big big Punk fan for as long as I can remember.

As of 2009, my taste is almost exclusive to Crust, Powerviolence, Screamo and 90's Emo. I dabble a little in the older, 1st wave emo and some Post-Hardcore from time to time.

Band-wise, I've been jammin' ...Of Death, Textbook Traitors, Portrait, CoC, Jeromes Dream, Combatwoundedveteran, Orchid, The Saddest Landscape, Funeral Diner, Indian Summer etc etc

It's all about collecting though! I went through a phase of having to own every Raein, La Quiete (one of my favourite bands) and Daitro vinyl.

Raein/Daitro 10" split (pink splatter vinyl), La Quiete - La Fine Non E La Fine and City Of Caterpillar - Self-titled are my three most prized vinyl.

Quebec were a great short lived Australian Screamo band. Well worth hearing.

Posted: **Thu Aug 13, 2009 1:57 pm**

Fugazi is probably my favorite band. Rites of Spring were good. Happy Go Licky is also fucking good. There were a few more "emo" bands I listened to back in the day, but I can't remember their names. One called Moss Icon or some shit, they were pretty good.

Posted: **Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:29 pm**

Tomm wrote: Crust, Powerviolence, Screamo and 90's Emo.

Wow where do they come up with these names?

I thought 90's Emo was Green Day and Crust was a Drum'n'Bass DJ.

What was Swans, Melvins, Ministry/Lard/Revolting Cocks, Rezillos/Revillos and Godflesh/Jesu? I need to know so I can tell my friends what type of Rock'n'Roll I listen to.

Posted: **Thu Aug 13, 2009 2:52 pm**

Green Day are quite obviously a Pop Punk band, don't be so daft.

Swans are about the hardest to categorize but you could quite happily slip them into Post-Punk/No Wave.

Melvin = Sludge, Ministery = Industrial Metal, The Rezillos = Punk/New Wave.

And Godflesh was an Industrial Metal (&precursor to Post-Metal) band. Jesu is the same thing really with added elements of Drone Metal and a whole lot of Shoegazer.

You basically like Hipster rock. (which isnae a bad thing 'cause I'm into all of the stuff you mentioned)