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Consider this:

Athiests and Fundamental Christians have more in common than you think, and it is my belief, they are equally as deluded and stupid.

Now hear me out...

What defines a Christian? ABSOLUTE faith in God. As in, 100% certainty that God exists.

What defines an Athiest? ASBOLUTE faith in God NOT existing. 100% certaintly of this.

Why are each as retarded as the other? Because both have 100% faith and certainty in a universe where nothing is certain.

Civilized humans have been around for only a few thousand years, and for anyone to assume that they have a 100% certainty of ANYTHING this universe has to offer, is not only incredibly arrogant, it is also incredibly stupid. It is safe to say that we know pretty much NOTHING about the universe in which we live and yet, we have people who claim to have a 100% certainty of things unknown to anyone. Incredible. Well done. You are a retard.

The smartest you will EVER be, is to accept that fact that you know nothing, and that nothing is 100% certain.

If you want to be truely lazy in your beliefs (like I do), Agnosticism is the way to go.

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i think atheism just means you don't believe in god, i don't know where you got the "100% certainty" thing from

im 50%

blood wrote:i think atheism just means you don't believe in god, i don't know where you got the "100% certainty" thing from

Nah. An Athiest is 100% certain of there being no God. If you are less than 100% certain, you are then "Agnostic".

Athiesm and Christianity are the two polar extremes of belief. Anything inbetween in Agnosticism.

Ov3rdos3 wrote:

blood wrote:i think atheism just means you don't believe in god, i don't know where you got the "100% certainty" thing from

Nah. An Athiest is 100% certain of there being no God. If you are less than 100% certain, you are then "Agnostic".

Athiesm and Christianity are the two polar extremes of belief. Anything inbetween in Agnosticism.

it literally is A-theist meaning non theistic - or does not subscribe to a theology.
I don't understand why you think not believing in the supernatural means that you are the same as someone who thinks the world is 6000 years old

fuagofire wrote:
it literally is A-theist meaning non theistic - or does not subscribe to a theology.
I don't understand why you think not believing in the supernatural means that you are the same as someone who thinks the world is 6000 years old

That. Atheism is the lack of theistic beliefs. It's not, in of itself, a belief. Despite how the religious "intellectuals" like to jack each other off over the mere STATEMENT that it is.

I went to an Evangelical church at the invite of a friend, just cause I knew it would be lulz. I wrote a massive piece on the experience, including some videos of it I put on YouTube. Check it here, if anyone's interested:

http://richarddawkins.net/forum/viewtop ... =3&t=82844

I have a question, overdose. Do you think the statement, "I believe that "God" isn't real," implies that there is a 100% certainty in that belief?

this one thread gonna be nice, next 2 pages it's gonna be explaining itself i guess

blood wrote:I have a question, overdose. Do you think the statement, "I believe that "God" isn't real," implies that there is a 100% certainty in that belief?

Yes. The active verb being "believe".

If you truely believe something, it means you have complete faith in it. Complete faith in anything makes a person dumb.

If you were to say "I am pretty sure God isn't real", would be an Agnostic statement and means although you feel he probably isn't real, this is left open to improvisation and the possibility (however small) that he may in fact be real. This means you are not dumb.

fuagofire wrote:

Ov3rdos3 wrote:

blood wrote:i think atheism just means you don't believe in god, i don't know where you got the "100% certainty" thing from

Nah. An Athiest is 100% certain of there being no God. If you are less than 100% certain, you are then "Agnostic".

Athiesm and Christianity are the two polar extremes of belief. Anything inbetween in Agnosticism.

it literally is A-theist meaning non theistic - or does not subscribe to a theology.
I don't understand why you think not believing in the supernatural means that you are the same as someone who thinks the world is 6000 years old

Completely having 100% certainty that no form of supernatural exists is, again, dumb. I'm pretty sure there isn't anything supernatural going on, but I stand to be corrected. I accept that our primative species does not, and CAN NOT know if this is true or not. We simply do not have enough information about the universe to have absolute faith either way.

Complete Faith = 26 IQ points.

I know what Athiesm is "supposed" to mean, being non-theistic, but that is incorrect. Someone who is truely non-theistic would be an Agnostic. Athiests (or to call yourself a true Athiest) you have to have pure faith in the fact that God does not exist.

Faith makes a person dumb.

Believing makes you dumb. So does not believing. The only hope you have is accepting that "you do not know".

Ov3rdos3 wrote: I know what Athiesm is "supposed" to mean, being non-theistic, but that is incorrect. Someone who is truely non-theistic would be an Agnostic. Athiests (or to call yourself a true Athiest) you have to have pure faith in the fact that God does not exist.

Faith makes a person dumb.

Believing makes you dumb. So does not believing. The only hope you have is accepting that "you do not know".

While belief means certain for theists, atheists merely lacking that belief aren't saying there definitely isn't a god; just that they don't see any reason to believe there is one. In fact, agnosticism is the odd one, as you guys are atheists too. You don't have a belief in a god, so that makes you an atheist.

Ov3rdos3 wrote:

blood wrote:I have a question, overdose. Do you think the statement, "I believe that "God" isn't real," implies that there is a 100% certainty in that belief?

Yes. The active verb being "believe".

If you truely believe something, it means you have complete faith in it. Complete faith in anything makes a person dumb.

so just that word "believe" means absolute certainty? and absolute certainty in anything is dumb?

Ov3rdos3 wrote:Athiests and Fundamental Christians have more in common than you think, and it is my belief, they are equally as deluded and stupid.

oops

blood wrote: so just that word "believe" means absolute certainty? and absolute certainty in anything is dumb?

Yes.

blood wrote:
oops

I forgot to say that the ONLY certainty is the fact that that there is no certainty. I am aware of the paradox in that statement but try and work with it. This would validate my statement and my belief in it.

I'm 100% certain we're all eventually gonna die !

Diablo wrote:I'm 100% certain we're all eventually gonna die !

That and paying taxes I guess is excluded from the argument...

Ov3rdos3 wrote:

blood wrote:I have a question, overdose. Do you think the statement, "I believe that "God" isn't real," implies that there is a 100% certainty in that belief?

Yes. The active verb being "believe".

If you truely believe something, it means you have complete faith in it. Complete faith in anything makes a person dumb.

If you were to say "I am pretty sure God isn't real", would be an Agnostic statement and means although you feel he probably isn't real, this is left open to improvisation and the possibility (however small) that he may in fact be real. This means you are not dumb.

So if i was to say i 'do not' believe there is a god would that invalidate this '100% belief' theory? Im not stating that i 'believe' there is no god but my statement suggests that im for the theory that leans towards there not be a god.

Christians have "faith" (key word here) that god is real, they are not 100 percent certain because you can't prove the existence of God. They simply make a conscious decision to believe in something that may or may not be real.

If they were 100 % certain he was real then there would be no need for faith as there would already be outstanding evidence that he does exist and that there is no logical reason to doubt his existence in the first place.

I don't know much about atheism and haven't heard of what you quoted so I'm not gonna try to argue that side .

Atheism is about putting absolute trust in empiricism. Of course this doesn't mean you have to think like an atheist to call yourself one - i've come across many people who couldn't tell you why they don't believe in god in a way that isn't essentially saying 'i feel like a god couldn't exist.' There's plenty of ignorance to go round.

I guess my approach is more in the vein of 'i'll believe it when i see it'