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We are now leaps and bounds closer to world peace and a balanced globe.

You couldn't kid us for too long mate.

In the spirit of Americanisms: "eat my shorts."

cuz the new guy isn't another bush cronie...

the wrong guy resigned....but it's a start.

today is a v good day, trust me.

the right are ousted.

dem's will be much better for a slowing u.s economy anyway.

yep, it's a start. A long overdue start. very big day for the US, and the world, IMO.

joenice wrote:the wrong guy resigned....but it's a start.

Word. The tide is turning. (I hope.)

With the democrats having control of the house and possibly senate as of yesterday's election, I see his resignation as pretty much an admission that he won't be able to further his agenda anymore, so he's thrown the toys out of the pram.

Robert Gates is a really nice guy.

boomnoise wrote:Robert Gates is a really nice guy.

Lol

boomnoise wrote:Robert Gates is a really nice guy.

lol indeed. im glad to see him go but really its no suprise and it shouldve been a long time ago. and to be fair replacing him with the old guard isnt much of a step forward.

im pleased at the election results, but really im not overwhelmed by optimisim. from what i understand, many of the swing seats were from moderate republicans to conservative democrats... at most its a shift to centre left, a centre left which really has very few strong ideas about where to take the country and how to look at the world. its been a very negatively fought campaign, the democrats need to step up

but i am very very glad to see the statement of will against far right government

elgato wrote:

boomnoise wrote:Robert Gates is a really nice guy.

lol indeed. im glad to see him go but really its no suprise and it shouldve been a long time ago. and to be fair replacing him with the old guard isnt much of a step forward.

im pleased at the election results, but really im not overwhelmed by optimisim. from what i understand, many of the swing seats were from moderate republicans to conservative democrats... at most its a shift to centre left, a centre left which really has very few strong ideas about where to take the country and how to look at the world. its been a very negatively fought campaign, the democrats need to step up

but i am very very glad to see the statement of will against far right government

Yeah El gato we have along way to go. But it is a step forward!

wont change a damn thing, we are still fucked. he was just part of the master plan

afincham83 wrote:wont change a damn thing, we are still fucked. he was just part of the master plan

Damn bro i can feel you there.
But we can't totally give up- can we?

It's a step in the right direction, but its done with midget legs. People gotta start thinkin stilts.

Me nar no who this next eeediot is.

Unveil him Bushman, lets see wot he got.

Yeah...Rumsfeld out...good times....three more peeps to get the fuck out of there!

I wouldn't trust Gates any farther than Rumsfeld though.Gates hasn't ever had my trust.The Iran-Contra scandal did that for me(god I'm old!).He was Bush Sr.'s(also ex-head of CIA) go to guy for "intelligence" that somehow usually proved to be false.And he is probably considered a "Honorary Bush Ranch Texan" since he heads up A&M Uni.,which scares the bejeezus outta me,considering that Dubya constantly uses the whole "Don't mess with Texas" pathos(as well as Christian morals) as an excuse for waging war,intentionally falsley convicting and executing minorities ad nauseum,keeping racism,sexism,and classism alive,lying to the American people"for our protection",and practically praising any and all assholes within the military for beating,raping,sodomising,and killing innocent civilians(and not just in Iraq and Gitmo.America is fookin' EVERYWHERE!!!).

The Dixie Chicks were right...Bush in fact DOES give Texas a bad name.

Nothing at all against Texans(my mum was born in Waco) or the honest soldiers(some enlisted for college money and got a bad deal when Dubya bought his way in),but getting Bob Gates in there isn't going to help matters.In fact,I'd be willing to bet that he is like Tony Snow("The palatable McClellan")..."the rich man's Rumsfeld".The scenario isn't going to change,it's just going to have a friendlier face.

Gotta love Bush's "Nice Guys".

Little Boh Peep wrote:With the democrats having control of the house and possibly senate as of yesterday's election, I see his resignation as pretty much an admission that he won't be able to further his agenda anymore, so he's thrown the toys out of the pram.

am I right in thinking that with the House now under a Dem majority Bush's legislative programme is essentially dead, because everything that requires new or reorientated funding has to be ratified by them?

I don't buy the 'same shit under a different name' theory: even if Rumsfeld resigning is solely symbolic, that's some good symbolism right there. Thanks for the Gates briefing tho guys.

Incidentally where were you lot when I started a West Wing thread? Surely some heads on here must idolise Josh n Toby n Sam as much as me?

Choosing between the democrats and republicans is a kin to choosing whether to watch Pop Idol or X-Factor.

I dont think I could handle such a choice

Echo Wanderer wrote:Yeah...Rumsfeld out...good times....three more peeps to get the fuck out of there!

I wouldn't trust Gates any farther than Rumsfeld though.Gates hasn't ever had my trust.The Iran-Contra scandal did that for me(god I'm old!).He was Bush Sr.'s(also ex-head of CIA) go to guy for "intelligence" that somehow usually proved to be false.And he is probably considered a "Honorary Bush Ranch Texan" since he heads up A&M Uni.,which scares the bejeezus outta me,considering that Dubya constantly uses the whole "Don't mess with Texas" pathos(as well as Christian morals) as an excuse for waging war,intentionally falsley convicting and executing minorities ad nauseum,keeping racism,sexism,and classism alive,lying to the American people"for our protection",and practically praising any and all assholes within the military for beating,raping,sodomising,and killing innocent civilians(and not just in Iraq and Gitmo.America is fookin' EVERYWHERE!!!).

The Dixie Chicks were right...Bush in fact DOES give Texas a bad name.

Nothing at all against Texans(my mum was born in Waco) or the honest soldiers(some enlisted for college money and got a bad deal when Dubya bought his way in),but getting Bob Gates in there isn't going to help matters.In fact,I'd be willing to bet that he is like Tony Snow("The palatable McClellan")..."the rich man's Rumsfeld".The scenario isn't going to change,it's just going to have a friendlier face.

Gotta love Bush's "Nice Guys".

Taking the texan ethos to foreign policy is so obtuse. Only Texans bounce with that kinda vibe the rest of the world has to understand it through old westerns...

Not saying anything is wrong with it in itself, but, i dont think it really holds much weight in this context.

mos dan wrote:

Little Boh Peep wrote:With the democrats having control of the house and possibly senate as of yesterday's election, I see his resignation as pretty much an admission that he won't be able to further his agenda anymore, so he's thrown the toys out of the pram.

am I right in thinking that with the House now under a Dem majority Bush's legislative programme is essentially dead, because everything that requires new or reorientated funding has to be ratified by them?

I don't buy the 'same shit under a different name' theory: even if Rumsfeld resigning is solely symbolic, that's some good symbolism right there. Thanks for the Gates briefing tho guys.

It's alway the same shit with a different name really.Historically,very few Presidents/PMs/Monarchs/leaders ever go against tradition.And the ones that do are almost always assassinated.They all lie to thier people to gain for themselves.While I agree that Rumsfeld won't be able to further his mission,it's more the Bush Regime's mission,and Gates will now have the same one.Rumsfeld is a front for Bush's "stay the course" ideals.Rumsfeld has tried to resign a few times now,but Bush wouldn't allow it.Probably because that means "the terrorists win".The only admission that seems to come out of the some 15 resignations under Bush's administration is one of guilt.

Bush knows this looks bad.He knew it when 9/11 Comission found he could have stopped the WTC attacks.He knew when Hans Blix and the UN found he lied about the WMDs,simply to start the war in Iraq.He knew it when Powell resigned because he simply couldn't take lying to the constituents anymore.He knew it when McClellan,Ashcroft,O'Neill,Snow,Abraham,Mineta,Ridge,Veneman,Norton,Evans,Thompson,and Paige resigned.And each time,he has appointed a friendlier,public-ready version of the same jackass for that position.And all those positions have gotten even worse.Healthcare,agriculture,and education have become terrible.Hundreds and thousands of veterans have had vital information stolen from them.Housing is harder and harder to afford.There are millions of homeless in America,but nothing is done about it except the closure of programs,so the admin. can re-route the money to the war.Social Security is at a standstill,as opposed to the promises that it was due for much needed change.And this is all done with a "smile".It's like,Bush knew Powell had such an impact on black empowerment,and that he was probably the sole reason he got any black votes at all,that Bush figured only Condi could replace him,and possibly garner women's support as well.And look at Powell now.He is out there trying to make up for helping Bush by telling the truth.

The democrats will have a lot of cleanup work,but it will only look good on the surface.Bush is in deep shit,but he,as well as the rest of his cabinet,know that congress can do absolutely nothing.Money talks in America,not the voice of reason,and Bush has a lot to say.

Symbolism?Yes.Good symbolism?Maybe.But a lot can happen in 2 years,or even 2 months,and nothing can happen until January anyway.Bush can accomplish a lot more havoc until then.Rumsfeld or not.