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Hey all,

I have a pretty big midi controller set up. 2 bcf's, 1 bcr, cme uf6 and a mpd32. I finally got it all to work to my needs and wishes. But started wondering, why i have all these controls and don't use em that much??
So i came up with a new workflow.

I now make the beat by playing and editing like i used to. I make all the sounds and then press record and start fucking around with the lfo's, filters, fx etc. Then after a few minutes of recording, i start looking for the interesting parts and edit these all together. I keep everything midi and copy paste the automation with it. if it needs it i export to audio.

That way i have a new " live" vibe to my sound and it makes producing tunes even more fun!

Anyone in here working in a similar method?

No, but this is exactly the stuff I want to be doing. And keep pondering over an mpd24. I want to be able to just mess about on the keyboard and literally have all the filters and levels to hand.

hell yea

its the only way to fly.

i got a loop going out from the computer through a sampler with crazy effects into a kp3 and back in again

way more fun than

*click**click**click**click**click**click*

hurlingdervish wrote:hell yea

its the only way to fly.

i got a loop going out from the computer through a sampler with crazy effects into a kp3 and back in again

way more fun than

*click**click**click**click**click**click*

EXACTLY! The funny thing is, i was always playing around with the knobs for ours and then started making the automation by hand...

I really don't understand why i never recorded this before hahaha

Therapist wrote:No, but this is exactly the stuff I want to be doing. And keep pondering over an mpd24. I want to be able to just mess about on the keyboard and literally have all the filters and levels to hand.

Don't know about the 24 but the 32 is well worth the money. I have it for a month now and it does what it has to well.

on the fly one takes then go back and fix minor quantization or major errors by hand or leave some for a natural feel
almost have my live rig 80% ready which def will be on the fly

Freq Juggler wrote:
EXACTLY! The funny thing is, i was always playing around with the knobs for ours and then started making the automation by hand...

I really don't understand why i never recorded this before hahaha

no doubt you gotta go back and edit stuff

but the mix is killer

i mean up until computers took over everything in electronic music was live multitracking from hardware ...

hurlingdervish wrote:

Freq Juggler wrote:
EXACTLY! The funny thing is, i was always playing around with the knobs for ours and then started making the automation by hand...

I really don't understand why i never recorded this before hahaha

no doubt you gotta go back and edit stuff

but the mix is killer

i mean up until computers took over everything in electronic music was live multitracking from hardware ...

Indeed, going back to correct things is almoist always neccesary (depends on how much practice to though). Pc's take the music making experience away, this way it's more natural.

heh live setup once i have 100% one or 2 lappies
apc40
and live 8
rack akai and a few other modules
midi drum pads
and a bass guitar
and that's solo

i used to create a lot of my older beats live without a sequencer. i would just scratch drums, or play drums, and over dub. then i'd just edit it all together. sometimes i wouldn't even bother editing. if i wanted 96 bars of drums i'd scratch it or bang the pads on my mpc. i'd then mess around with my turntable on top of that, then lay some synth work over that.

ever since i got more into software production my production style has become a lot more focused and thought out. it has become less about live improvisation and more about thought out patterns that i attempt to produce.

sometimes i make a couple of loops in reason. chop them all up. throw all the pieces onto my sp-404, play around with them and then just add stuff on top.

i enjoy jamming out playing on my keyboard, scratching the same way i enjoy clicking around with a mouse on my laptop in reason. they're both just different.

i'm glad i do both now though because for a long time i dismissed being in front of a computer screen scrolling with a mouse as being counter-productive in terms of getting your creative juices flowing.

let me go on record to say that the majority of all "live electronic acts" look and sound pathetic.

Freq Juggler wrote:

Therapist wrote:No, but this is exactly the stuff I want to be doing. And keep pondering over an mpd24. I want to be able to just mess about on the keyboard and literally have all the filters and levels to hand.

Don't know about the 24 but the 32 is well worth the money. I have it for a month now and it does what it has to well.

I can't remember what's really different from 24 to 32, but I just need some pots to tweak and something to fingerdrum patterns on. XY filters look a lot of fun, but I wouldn't won't to go all beardyman on it.

sesitivity and number of faders
16 has same pads just only 2 faders

Deadly Habit wrote:sesitivity and number of faders
16 has same pads just only 2 faders

You mean the sensitivity has just got better when they made the 32, or there's something fundamentally different about it? To be honest the money wouldn't be worth it me I don't think, I don't need 100s of nobs, just some sort of physical controller.

Not trying to hi-jack the thread here either. You got a myspace or anything Juggler?

unless you need aftertouch faders and knobs for each pad 16 is fine

I actually do this alot. I do a live band (trumpet, sax, keyboards, drums, bass)and capture samples and loops live building layers of tweaking and all kinds of different stuff. I do all the basses and music live; the only samples that aren't live are the drums. The first tune on myspace is just me jamming on the intro to one of our tunes. I am playing all the instruments live and just sampling myself.

http://www.myspace.com/innerloopband

Last month's computer music magazine had a really good article on Meta Recording in Ableton Live. Really fresh way of using the drum racks and MIDI clips.

It's now my new workflow.