But it does have that sort of old school grimey feel to it if you get me
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:29 am
by subdepth
listen out for k1. Manchester producer/DJ, mayhem crew. Release on Wileys new album thats out soon if not already. Release on Subdepth and more forthcoming on Subdepth soon. Was on Westwood crib sessions other day if u search for "Shifty & crew westwood crib sessions", alot of them beats are his.
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 1:47 am
by Sentinels
Try and get hold of a slimzee set circa 2003/2004. When he was still playing with MCs but doing gigs like FWD>> Playing beats by Wonder and 'sinogrime' but with the dark halfstep of dubstep. Was a beautiful time for music, but no one was really listening much then.
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:48 pm
by 15mil
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Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:49 pm
by -dubson-
Sentinels wrote:Try and get hold of a slimzee set circa 2003/2004.
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 2:51 pm
by collige
Check out the Grime compilations on Rephlex and Vex'd - Degenerate.
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:02 pm
by torino the scientist
Try this:
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:15 pm
by mashmash
.onelove. wrote:Am I right in thinking Loefah produced Grime before Dubstep? I imagine most producers are either from DnB or Grime backgrounds.
Heres an example, although the track itself isn't actually very good
But it does have that sort of old school grimey feel to it if you get me
Grime? Are you sure you don't mean 2-step garage? dubstep emerged around the same time as grime in about 2003 from the uk garage scene. lots of producers were into uk garage before dubstep, and dark garage is what influenced skream and the rest. so i wouldn't say grime influenced dubstep but a lot of producers such as kromestar produce dubstep as well as grime
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:48 pm
by joe muggs
Starkey, Joker, Gemmy, Numan, Untold - especially the recent Untold stuff like 'Anaconda' and such - are def rooted in old grime beats.
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 3:54 pm
by fused_forces
We got Grit Weed forthcoming on Futurism Recordings next month, which is sum proper raw old skool grime bizzness...
Hope ya feelin it.
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:32 pm
by Sentinels
mashmash wrote:
Grime? Are you sure you don't mean 2-step garage? dubstep emerged around the same time as grime in about 2003 from the uk garage scene. lots of producers were into uk garage before dubstep, and dark garage is what influenced skream and the rest. so i wouldn't say grime influenced dubstep but a lot of producers such as kromestar produce dubstep as well as grime
You are right about this, but there was definately a murky area in between the three. You have to remember that after the collapse of UK Garage the scene was at least 80% based in London and so it was geographically tiny, the internet didn't have the sway it did then either.
A track such as Wonder's- What could have been heard in FWD>>, played by DJ EZ (biggest universal UKG DJ) and being belted by Slimzee/Target (grime pioneers.) It did end up as a the instrumental for Dizzee Rascal's Respect Me on his second album too. Also for me it was the first half-step tune to actually break through. Probably the most important tune to influence the half-step dubstep we now are now familar with today.
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 4:50 pm
by Sentinels
Also call me outspoken but that Grime Compilation was hugely misnamed by a bunch of outsiders trying to jump in on the scene, its not grime at all so don't be mislead. IMO they planted the seeds for the crappy techno-wobble and drum and bass converts that dominate the scene now. Vibeless shit.
Even the Run the Road compilations don't really give you an idea of what the scene was like back then... they are a bit too tainted by Warner major label trying to shoe in Lady Sovereign and the Streets, and wanted too much fresh material that wasn't that anthemic.
try and find a Rinse set, pre-mixtape era for the best stuff.
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:11 pm
by collige
Sentinels wrote:Also call me outspoken but that Grime Compilation was hugely misnamed by a bunch of outsiders trying to jump in on the scene, its not grime at all so don't be mislead. IMO they planted the seeds for the crappy techno-wobble and drum and bass converts that dominate the scene now. Vibeless shit.
I think we're thinking of different "Grime"s. Kode9 and MRK1 are vibeless?
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 5:19 pm
by joe muggs
collige wrote:
Sentinels wrote:Also call me outspoken but that Grime Compilation was hugely misnamed by a bunch of outsiders trying to jump in on the scene, its not grime at all so don't be mislead. IMO they planted the seeds for the crappy techno-wobble and drum and bass converts that dominate the scene now. Vibeless shit.
I think we're thinking of different "Grime"s. Kode9 and MRK1 are vibeless?
Heh yeah I thought that - but on reflection I think he's talking about the music made by the people who were attracted BY the Grime compilations. Which is a pretty sweeping generalisation in itself, still!
Anyway, back on topic - I dunno if there are any online, but Blazey out of Bristol plays some amazing bits of old 8-bar/sublow in his DJ sets...
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:23 pm
by osky
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 6:49 pm
by kidshuffle
.onelove. wrote:Am I right in thinking Loefah produced Grime before Dubstep? I imagine most producers are either from DnB or Grime backgrounds.
Heres an example, although the track itself isn't actually very good
But it does have that sort of old school grimey feel to it if you get me
i'm sure most early producers were in garage
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 7:04 pm
by Sentinels
Sorry, bit of a rant there. Not usually into the King Canute thing, scenes always have peaks and troughs so dunno why I digressed. Plenty of non-wobble, garagey, vibey 'dubstep' coming out at the moment as not to complain.
Re: Grime influenced Dubstep
Posted: Sun Jan 03, 2010 8:38 pm
by Hightower
the Dubstep producer Kromestar has a Grime alias which is ironsoul, so its pretty interesting that he produces both genres just under different names.
