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has anyone tried this and had sleeping problems? i tried it for the first time friday, 250mg then 2 hours later the same again, both mixed with 25ml of water....i didn't sleep at all when i got home, and was awake all day friday, all day saturday before i finally got to sleep at 4am last night, slept through until about 10am and been awake ever since. still don't feel really tired.

i recommend it if you haven't tried it though, not as intense as proper mandy but a good substitute given the shit they pass off for it these days....although if it fucks my sleep pattern up this much every time i'll have to reconsider. very moreish though

I've had it quite a few times, had no more trouble sleeping off it than mdma though. Can usually get to sleep about 4-8ish hours after my last dose when I've taken like 1-2 grams all night, although admittedly with the help of some antihistamines or some valium if its available

I find that vaguely amusing coming from a guy who has sleep problems!

what pikey is really saying is, "I can sleep after it... providing i take enough benzos and AH to knock out a shire horse."

I swear Pikey is always medicated.

'I covered my entire body in sudocream, dived into a chemist and lay there absorbing whatever stuck to my (pseudo (get it? what a pun!!!) ) skin.'

Had around 700mg or so last week from 10pm-4am, managed to get to sleep around 5 pretty easy though. I always do

Arjun wrote:Had around 700mg or so last week from 10pm-4am, managed to get to sleep around 5 pretty easy though. I always do

I dislike people like you.

Firkles wrote:what pikey is really saying is, "I can sleep after it... providing i take enough benzos and AH to knock out a shire horse."

Actually yeah, I suppose I am. I'd probably wouldn't be able to sleep for around 12-16 hours after my last dose otherwise, but still. Only things that have ever left me up for fucking daaaaays after taking it is BZP. Fuck that stuff.

I sleep ok on mephedrone and methylone. Without any valium or anything too. Not that I could source it anyway.

That night and the majority of the next day are pretty much a write off for sleeping.

Slept better on beans / mandy, weird.

elibomyekip wrote:

Firkles wrote:what pikey is really saying is, "I can sleep after it... providing i take enough benzos and AH to knock out a shire horse."

Actually yeah, I suppose I am. I'd probably wouldn't be able to sleep for around 12-16 hours after my last dose otherwise, but still. Only things that have ever left me up for fucking daaaaays after taking it is BZP. Fuck that stuff.

That stuff was a catatonic nightmare. Most intense/horrible feeling.

rliquid wrote:That night and the majority of the next day are pretty much a write off for sleeping.

Slept better on beans / mandy, weird.

I find MDMA piss to sleep on. I'll usually fall asleep onna train/bus home after a decent all night rave. I find the comedowns off it fairly fun, usually some lulzy aural and visual hallucinations agwan (when b2b with sleep deprivation) and wrapping a blanket around you is pure bliss. Everything else gives me tnuc comedowns though.