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It'll be hard for the bourgeoisie to turn Dubstep into a mainstream music.
Any thoughts?

heh, thats what we thought about DnB...

lmao

So true


But,

Still hard to imagine,
Dubstep X Factor

Give it a couple of years

the bourgeoisie will be skankin to skream dubs

.

*hides in home counties corner*

what do you mean by mainstream?

You've already got probably your first 50+ old hippy going mental on this stuff

It will spread, if for nothing else what else is happening out there with any energy, or with any where near the same amount of creativity?

Enough people are wanting fresh stuff at the mo, across the genres.

That's the reason I found it, getting desperate for some FRESH acidy squelchy sub-bass breakbeat stuff, posted on the Big Chill forum asking if anyone had come across any, one person there sent me links, to Horsepower Productions and mentioned in passing Dubstep Allstars, listening to a couple of tracks in, and I'm getting that same shivery feeling I got at the start of drum'n'bass, headflashes that it's likely to have as profound effect on me etc etc

Then I'm thinking, shit can I really go back another generation, and I go to DMZ, ......... mindblowing, ........and not a single moment of attitude from anyone all night, and no fake loved up pillage vibe either, and the music, well lets just say I was loving those speakers .

I'm already driving my mates absolutely nuts with it, and all me d'n'b mates are loving it etc etc

Already changing my life, and that's all of.......... two weeks in
And I can't believe I'm buying vinyl again, just as I'd pretty much gone digital, hate the lot of you

Re the dangers of The Man, a few thoughts especially back to d'n'b around '96-'97

I reckon that as long as the overlaps with grime are there it'll stay out of reach longer, especially if you don't get just one style predominating, either that or your attitude is so good that you find a way of developing the whole concept of independence that has gone on in dance scenes in the UK, for the last 20 years. I would fucking love it if you guys could challenge and stay strong when the system starts sniffing, especially when the pounds come with '0000's afterwards, and people outside the scene start producing the stuff too.

I understand why the drum'n'bassers at that point took control, but I also think that's the moment that stopped d'n'b cleaning up completely, and being way more massive and socially important than it has been.

The most encouraging thing for me was I felt the attitude at DMZ had jumped up a level from that whole previous 17 years of dance events I'd been to, and that gives me hope that you guys can at least stretch it longer than other styles. I do hope that wasn't just a one off quality night I experienced.
So thanks to everyone who's been developing this whole thing, given me a lot of hope again in a period where staleness seemed to be setting in across the board.

Sorry for the ramble of an old git, but this stuff is already starting to feel like a part of my body blah de blah de blah

Oh and lovin this blog culture you've got going, classy stuff.

hamzen wrote:I can't believe I'm buying vinyl again, just as I'd pretty much gone digital, hate the lot of you

haha, that sounds like me a year ago...

UFO over easy wrote:I'm middle class like you wouldn't believe mate.. and haven't you seen all the poncy, bearded, rectangular-glasses-wearing rephlex/planet mu geeks at Fwd>>?

They're bourgeoisie? I don't think its a class thing but about attitude.

hamzen

dubstep isn't just uk underground music...

...and the scene isn't localised around a few clubnights

it's a strain of musical virus infecting the net and mutating as it crosses geographical borders...

...the producers don't just stick to a rinsed out formula so there is no dominating style. The independence comes from that although there is the danger of cloning strains by newcomers to the sound who haven't had a decent grounding in garage

nor do i see any damage if some big name players get paid heaps by the man...

...it will have a flow on effect to the overall scene

as for the revolution, the big wheel keeps turning...

and what was once on top

Alex Deadman wrote:It'll be hard for the bourgeoisie to turn Dubstep into a mainstream music.
Any thoughts?

it's not the case of the class - it's the case of being honest imho
as someone mentioned above - attitude!

dubmugga wrote:The independence comes from that although there is the danger of cloning strains by newcomers to the sound who haven't had a decent grounding in garage

Although I can see where you are coming from, I tend to disagree with that point.

Perhaps some, purely because they don't have a strong grounding in garage, will produce new, unheard styles. Also, it seems that a lot of the guys that produce have more empathy for old jungle than garage.

Listen to Boxcutter - who I reckon is coming through with some of the very freshest stuff, really has his own style going on. I could be wrong here - but I sure as hell don't hear much of a garage influence in his tunes. That he's from Ireland, he probably hasn't been exposed to much garage.

I think that dubstep is heading in a direction that will eventually shed any trace of it's garage heritage. Not to dis garage, but for dubstep to become a distinct, unique sound, it has by definition, evolved from garage.

it shouldnt be mainstream, it has to be just the way it is now. Growin bigger n bigger but still remain underground. Cuz thats what happened wiv DnB and thats a pity...I like my music more when most of teh people dont even know it aksing what stream it is, love that! Its also about being a part of something so little but so special in a way, that makes dis stream so special unlike DnB.

dubmugga wrote:hamzen

dubstep isn't just uk underground music...

...and the scene isn't localised around a few clubnights

it's a strain of musical virus infecting the net and mutating as it crosses geographical borders...

...the producers don't just stick to a rinsed out formula so there is no dominating style. The independence comes from that although there is the danger of cloning strains by newcomers to the sound who haven't had a decent grounding in garage

nor do i see any damage if some big name players get paid heaps by the man...

...it will have a flow on effect to the overall scene

as for the revolution, the big wheel keeps turning...

and what was once on top

what a load of bollox,dubstep is an internet music yeah???....
have u ever been to london to any raves ?

all i'd heard before i wrote brood were traditional irish jigs at the féile haha. nah i do really like lots of swinging garage stuff, some of it has more bounce than a lot of dubstep i hear which is very "straight" quantised business.

Dubstep needs to keep raw vibes, thats a matter of attitude of ravers and nothing else. Dont be bait.

oh shut up you lot fuck sake.

im workin class. people i rave with are workin class and middle class. i rave to grime. i rave to hip hop. i rave to dubstep.

dubsteps for whoever likes DUBSTEP. so shut up. especially dubmugga mate youre not clever.

Mr. Messer wrote:dubsteps for whoever likes DUBSTEP. so shut up. especially dubmugga mate youre not clever.

Word. It's that simple.


Oh and Baz, (Mr. Boxcutter, I presume! ) - you are quite the funny one!

Sorry 'bout my assumptions regarding your listening habits. *hangs head low*. Was garage ever a big thing in Ireland?

Rest assured, I meant it as a compliment that your tunes do not sound like they have a strong garage influence. I was actually eferring more to Sunshine and the unreleased tune Lohan played on Rinse. Love them both. (Brood is great, too!)

Keep em' coming!