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Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:07 am
by Akira
i was just wondering what are the differences if there are any, and also has anyone noticed how more of the sort of midrange djs and producers tend to use cdjs, whereas the deeper subby stuff is generally mixed on wax, is there a particular reason for this? personally i have and always will be a vinyl man was just wondering about any other peoples thoughts on this?
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:16 am
by deadly_habit
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:16 am
by pkay
In comparison, the mid range stuff is newer and less established in the scene and overall has less vinyl being put out... lot more net labels or labels that are building themselves up currently and have a lot of unreleased audio being shared amongst label mates.
More MP3 tunes = more tunes on cdj's. Paying $30 to have a dub cut is just hard to rationalize when a CD costs 12 cents.
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:33 am
by wolf89
I like vinyl when playing. Just prefer the feel of control I have over a record.
Also I'm an obsessive record collector in general. I love having the actual physical copies. Feel like a bit of a knob buying just a digital file.
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:41 am
by dre
having a physical copy is great. no offense producers, but i hate buying c.d.s and have even less interest in buying the digital tune.
i understand why there's such little vinyl, especially with dubstep, being produced but for anyone out there that runs a label; press that shit! it can always be recycled into new records and the quality of the work shows through more on a record. everything from the sleeve to the insert can be coordinated making that 12" far more interesting than a digi tune.
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:44 am
by lucky strike
I have never bought an MP3 and haven't bought a CD for years and years.
I have a collection nearing 600 vinyls in total and I love listening to them (don't even mix as I only have one deck at the moment).
Therefore I am completely uninterested in digital media as long as vinyl is still around.
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:51 am
by signus
Both have their pros and cons but for me at the end of the day it all comes down to money. I can't afford to cut dubplates therefore I play cds
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:52 am
by wooda916
pkay wrote:Paying $30 to have a dub cut is just hard to rationalize when a CD costs 12 cents.
quality controll
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 12:56 am
by Luke Yeah?
The argument between the two formats has been done to death but you raise a good point about how certain styles in the sound tend to favour more towards one than the other.
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:18 am
by kingthing
serato all the way
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 1:51 am
by clairvoyeur
yes, serato is the best of both worlds since you can switch seemlessly between real vinyl and control vinyl
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:03 am
by Phyalow
kingthing wrote:serato all the way
+1, love it.
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:05 am
by fractal
lucky strike wrote:I have never bought an MP3 and haven't bought a CD for years and years.
I have a collection nearing 600 vinyls in total and I love listening to them (don't even mix as I only have one deck at the moment).
Therefore I am completely uninterested in digital media as long as vinyl is still around.
this is me, aside from the one deck part
it's whateve's... sometimes i feel like it should be CDP ( cd player) instead of CDJ, but i guess that doesn't sound as cool, lol
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:12 am
by brent
so many of these, but i'll post my opinion in this one. mp3s are cheaper, don't get scratched, and don't wear out. quite a few digital DJs probably don't even buy the music. if i was ever at a gig and saw that, i'd probably knock your laptop off by "accident." i've heard that it's easier to mix digitally. i only know vinyl, and i'm still learning. i'm sad that a few releases i want are digital only and i don't have cash for a 3rd channel CDJ. it's also ridiculous to buy a white label promo thinking that's it, only to find a full artwork release a few weeks later. so, you pay double if you want the art. sometimes you'll be paying almost $10 for just one song, too. then there's the whole limited release greed for ebay/discogs. i want SBTRKT "Timeless" on vinyl and 2 sellers want $40+ for it. well, i have the mp3 rip so if i ever had a CDJ...the one time i'd say it was ok. no offense, SBTRKT. ;X
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:13 am
by grimesceneinvestigation
deadly habit wrote:
i allmost choked on my breakfast
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:44 am
by EBR
pkay wrote:In comparison, the mid range stuff is newer and less established in the scene and overall has less vinyl being put out... lot more net labels or labels that are building themselves up currently and have a lot of unreleased audio being shared amongst label mates.
More MP3 tunes = more tunes on cdj's. Paying $30 to have a dub cut is just hard to rationalize when a CD costs 12 cents.
ITs not hard to rationalize at all. A stack of dubplates is much more exiting than a thumb drive with some mp3s. After Djing in clubs for almost 2 decades I Can say i'd much rather have a box full of dubplates than some new CDJs.
To each their own. Its about the quality of the end product for me. My mixes have got to be good because life is f*cking short. I don't have time to listen to a bunch of crap. The mixes are the end product. For me, each ingredient has to be as high a quality as I can muster. Then there is no question as to the quality of the outcome !
No question. I know I can take My record box full of wax and drop them ALL in front of 30,000 people if i had to. I would not be so confident with a couple flash drives and a laptop. But whatever... do what you are satisfied with. Its up to you.
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:46 am
by EBR
kingthing wrote:serato all the way
Serato makes it real easy doesnt it ?
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:51 am
by pkay
wooda916 wrote:pkay wrote:Paying $30 to have a dub cut is just hard to rationalize when a CD costs 12 cents.
quality controll
Hate to break it to everyone but you don't get any cool points for cutting dubs in 2010. If you're putting out vinyl and are getting a test press then good on you... outside that if you're on a label and your labelmates/artists you're friends with whose sound matches your style or you simply want to support, CDJ's are a godsend.
At WMC last week, even with the heavy hitters, CDJ's outnumbered dubplates by about 20 to 1. It's simply more efficient and allows for much faster turn around.
But that's beside the point... that's now what the original poster was asking. They were asking why midrange has more CDJ useage... the answer is because midrange is rather new and still establishing itself and in comparison, has far less vinyl releases currently
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 2:59 am
by pkay
EBR wrote:pkay wrote:In comparison, the mid range stuff is newer and less established in the scene and overall has less vinyl being put out... lot more net labels or labels that are building themselves up currently and have a lot of unreleased audio being shared amongst label mates.
More MP3 tunes = more tunes on cdj's. Paying $30 to have a dub cut is just hard to rationalize when a CD costs 12 cents.
ITs not hard to rationalize at all. A stack of dubplates is much more exiting than a thumb drive with some mp3s. After Djing in clubs for almost 2 decades I Can say i'd much rather have a box full of dubplates than some new CDJs.
To each their own. Its about the quality of the end product for me. My mixes have got to be good because life is f*cking short. I don't have time to listen to a bunch of crap. The mixes are the end product. For me, each ingredient has to be as high a quality as I can muster. Then there is no question as to the quality of the outcome !
No question. I know I can take My record box full of wax and drop them ALL in front of 30,000 people if i had to. I would not be so confident with a couple flash drives and a laptop. But whatever... do what you are satisfied with. Its up to you.
Are you serious dude? Dubplates are more exciting?
So my label sorted me with KOAN Sound- New Beginning. That tune will be more exciting on a dubplate than it would be on a CDJ or Serato? Dude you've got issues if you think the medium determines anything.
Considering how quickly the sound degrades and the limited number of really really quality cutting houses still around, it's a wash on sound quality of dubplates vs cdjs.
I've DJ'd 15 years, more parties than I can count, and like I said if you think you're cooler because you dropped the cash to cut a dub then you are a whack dj.
You can't buy your way to being a good DJ and anyone who thinks you're cooler because your dubplate has 2 holes in it versus a dj whose vinyl has 1 hole in it doesn't know much about djing
Even when it comes to big name DJ's, the only ones who are really cutting dubs in heavy heavy quantity are ones who work or have a close mate who works with access to a cut. It's 2010...the whole mysticism and elitism of dubplates has long since passed.
Re: Vinyl VS CDJ's
Posted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:15 am
by WatchYourStep
deadly habit wrote: