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What does the forum think was the first dubstep tune?
I've got the early Tempa stuff but was wondering if there was much before that.

Id class El-B and Zed Bias as originators of the sound...Horsepower as well.

El-B & Ghost, Zed Bias and Steve Gurley built the foundations.

As far as I'm concerned, Ghost 001 'The Club', released in 2000, was a turning point, taking Groove Chronicle's and Steve Gurley's dark garage flavours and making something distinct and new.

Sweet, thanks for that. I only know Zed Bias because of that Neighbourhood track.

Ok, further on that topic - who was the first person to start using the term "dubstep" - and what were people calling it before it was "dubstep"?

Just dark garage, or breakstep or something?

XLR8R magazine...you can read a bit about it in the wikipedia article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubstep

back then early grime, 4/4, 2step, dubstep, breakstep was all part of of the same thing: uk garage.

the term dubstep came about from the XLR8R cover feature on Horsepower and then the Dubstep Allstars CD mixed by Hatcha circa about 2003.

Before that people just described the dubsteppy flavours as kinda 'dark garage' - though it was all part of uk garage. Kode thought of 'nu dark swing' too, which was perfect for some of that Maddslinky and El-B stuff.

Hey, I saw Zed Bias play to about 6 people in 2001 here in Australia! He was great though!

[quote="Blackdown"]back then early grime, 4/4, 2step, dubstep, breakstep was all part of of the same thing: uk garage.

the term dubstep came about from the XLR8R cover feature on Horsepower and then the Dubstep Allstars CD mixed by Hatcha circa about 2003.

Before that people just described the dubsteppy flavours as kinda 'dark garage' - though it was all part of uk garage. Kode thought of 'nu dark swing' too, which was perfect for some of that Maddslinky and El-B stuff.[/
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Large up ~Blackdown for schoolin em ...they need it !!!!!!

this sound has a past as well as a present!

Yeah, I read somewhere that the XLR8R cover kinda sealed it.

does anyone know where a copy of that particular article can be found?

Is there a more comprehensive source for information on the origins of the sound than the Wikipedia entry? Just how accurate is that entry anyway?

well i wrote it - some one had to! - and having been there at the time i'm content it's pretty accurate!

check the article here:

http://www.xlr8r.com/magazine.php?uid=9 ... 9AF7D1ED6D

also last night's distance b2b scientist show was a journey through a lot of the music which shaped the sound. i should have the link up for that soon.

is now a good time to mention that history of dubstep mix, martin?

Blackdown wrote:well i wrote it - some one had to! - and having been there at the time i'm content it's pretty accurate!

My god do I owe you a big one matey:)

I got some links off of one forum on the Tuesday that related to dubstep and grime.
On the Thursday on another forum trying to get some perspective on it all someone gave me the Wikipaedia link on dubstep and grime, which mentioned DMZ, which I went to on the Saturday. Come Monday night the Breezeblock show.

Ha ha, that was some week, and still reeling from it all

The wonders of the web eh

it reminds a bit this topic : http://dubstep.forumsplace.com/message86.html

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Original Shelflife Crew!

One can try to name the first people who brought dub into uk garage but I feel like focusing on them solely as the originators of dubstep forgets the diversity of the scene. It is just one strand in its evolution. A central strand yes but not the single strand.

(Rant mode engage..) Dubstep is just any dope underground dance music produced in London nowadays (despite having the self limiting name dubstep). Or, this is how it should be and everyone should just admit it. Why can't everyone just unite and make a stand against nonsense genrefication and keep making loads of diverse awesome music as one happy family? Lets see more diversity on this forum! Instrumental grime included. (If grime wasn't so much about the MCs, it would/should be considered a part of dubstep.)

Worldy D wrote:One can try to name the first people who brought dub into uk garage but I feel like focusing on them solely as the originators of dubstep forgets the diversity of the scene. It is just one strand in its evolution. A central strand yes but not the single strand.

(Rant mode engage..) Dubstep is just any dope underground dance music produced in London nowadays (despite having the self limiting name dubstep). Or, this is how it should be and everyone should just admit it. Why can't everyone just unite and make a stand against nonsense genrefication and keep making loads of diverse awesome music as one happy family? Lets see more diversity on this forum! Instrumental grime included. (If grime wasn't so much about the MCs, it would/should be considered a part of dubstep.)

this is such a long complex issue.

i think that when you try to write a song under constraints, rather just doing whatever you want, you are taking into account the fact the electronic music has a past and present and you are being respectful of that. when you hear a song that is completely crazy yet can still be identified as something (i.e. dubstep) that is an amazing thing --> this is why i love digital mystikz.

and i am not saying that you should always follow the rules and make generic music at all--i am saying the opposite.

oh, and i am sure that there are many grime fans on this forum (i am one of them), but aren't there already other forums to discuss grime music? what is wrong with a forum being so specific?

digi diana wrote:

Worldy D wrote:oh, and i am sure that there are many grime fans on this forum (i am one of them), but aren't there already other forums to discuss grime music? what is wrong with a forum being so specific?

Yea I guess talking about grime at a forum called dubstep is kinda silly. (Except for focusing on the music, whereas other grime forums mainly focus on the MCing). I guess I just wished grime never got so MC obsessed and sort of cornered itself away from the rest of underground electronic dance music. (Much like what hip hop did back in the day, now being mostly antagonistic towards electronic music [think that Eminem lyric "Nobody listens to techno"] when they are in fact brethren).

I guess overall I don't really know what I'm talking about with genres and scenes cuz I'm not a scenester at heart. I grew up listening to individual electronic artists (like prodigy or autechre). Dubstep is the first scene I've been really devoted to so I'm still new to the ways of the scenius.

i can't remember what or how the transition was made for me...

...i just use to download garage/breakztep like it was going out of fashion burn mixes and never knew what the artists or songs were

Jred (HELL_SD) is the hell DJ with crates full of the stuff and a pedigree that reaches way back into early breakz...