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How many Americans even heard this was on the table for consideration?

Basically, this now gives the office of president the ability to turn off the Internet. Like, completely. Oh yeah, and it's already been passed without the pesky public weigh-in. Thank you representative democracy!



The security reasons for this are somewhat vaguely defined too, but in the end what raises the alarm for me is the fundamental nature of the Internet, which is information: information is never bad in and of itself, only its applications.

So what are they afraid of really?

from http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/36327/

The neo-conservative Senator Joe Lieberman has introduced a bill to give Obama power to shut down the Internet by declaring a national emergency.

S3480, the "Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act," not only allows the President to seize and shut down large parts of the Internet any time he wants to declare a "national cyber emergency," but permits the President to shut down the Internet across the entire planet.

As antiwar.com notes, "the bill amounts to a remarkable claim of presidential power, claiming a large portion of the global economy as a specific asset of the United States and further claiming the right to nationalize or destroy it in whole or part on a whim. The news may be disquieting enough for Americans faced with this sort of power grab from their own government, but for foreigners the idea that another nation can commandeer the Internet, cut them off from it, or render it unusable is totally shocking, and not surprisingly, a source of no small consternation.

"When reading through the bill, one can't notice how frankly it claims such enormous powers, or imagine how shocked the entire planet would be if Sen. Lieberman proposed the same measures without adding the prefix "cyber" to every few words. Couching it as a technical matter, with the usual technical ignorance of a Congressman thrown in for good measure, is a way to hide exactly how sweeping the new powers would truly be."

This is fucking appalling.

It's nominally only for the U.S., but seeing as the U.S. hosts or sees throughput from the majority of the world's internet traffic it's moot. If it goes down here it's gonna affect everyone.

I think they're afraid that someone has found "the killing joke."

funny

good bye all my favorite websites

i don't understand how you yanks let it get to that state

it may be shit over here, but at least there is public outrage when try to push something as draconian as that on us

Funny how they try to get everyone online and using up to date technology then grant themselves the power to completely shut it all off. Once books stop being produced, we are fucked.

How is he exactly going to turn off the Internet all over the world.

Root servers are in multiple countries, sometimes when you do shit online it doesn't even leave your own continent.

we all need time away from the internet and other electronics so we can hone our innate psychic abilities to the point that once we get the internet back, we don't actually need it at all

Roflrilla wrote:How is he exactly going to turn off the Internet all over the world.

Root servers are in multiple countries, sometimes when you do shit online it doesn't even leave your own continent.

This, that is why the 'WEB' was structured this way.

let us wait for the man like bass hertz with his logical theory behind their actions

oh hackman i has something for you

who said anything about the world? so far this is only in america

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Roflrilla wrote:How is he exactly going to turn off the Internet all over the world.

Root servers are in multiple countries, sometimes when you do shit online it doesn't even leave your own continent.

This, that is why the 'WEB' was structured this way.

It wasn't structuered this way so someone doesn't have complete control. It was built this way so there isn't a single point of failure, notice the mesh like structure of both, the internet, power grids, telephone lines, road networks.

Makes things more efficient too...

hackman wrote:who said anything about the world? so far this is only in america

alphacat wrote:How many Americans even heard this was on the table for consideration?

Basically, this now gives the office of president the ability to turn off the Internet. Like, completely. Oh yeah, and it's already been passed without the pesky public weigh-in. Thank you representative democracy!



The security reasons for this are somewhat vaguely defined too, but in the end what raises the alarm for me is the fundamental nature of the Internet, which is information: information is never bad in and of itself, only its applications.

So what are they afraid of really?

from http://www.campaignforliberty.com/blog/36327/

The neo-conservative Senator Joe Lieberman has introduced a bill to give Obama power to shut down the Internet by declaring a national emergency.

S3480, the "Protecting Cyberspace as a National Asset Act," not only allows the President to seize and shut down large parts of the Internet any time he wants to declare a "national cyber emergency," but permits the President to shut down the Internet across the entire planet.

As antiwar.com notes, "the bill amounts to a remarkable claim of presidential power, claiming a large portion of the global economy as a specific asset of the United States and further claiming the right to nationalize or destroy it in whole or part on a whim. The news may be disquieting enough for Americans faced with this sort of power grab from their own government, but for foreigners the idea that another nation can commandeer the Internet, cut them off from it, or render it unusable is totally shocking, and not surprisingly, a source of no small consternation.

"When reading through the bill, one can't notice how frankly it claims such enormous powers, or imagine how shocked the entire planet would be if Sen. Lieberman proposed the same measures without adding the prefix "cyber" to every few words. Couching it as a technical matter, with the usual technical ignorance of a Congressman thrown in for good measure, is a way to hide exactly how sweeping the new powers would truly be."

hackman wrote:who said anything about the world? so far this is only in america

alphacat wrote:

As antiwar.com notes, "the bill amounts to a remarkable claim of presidential power, claiming a large portion of the global economy as a specific asset of the United States and further claiming the right to nationalize or destroy it in whole or part on a whim. The news may be disquieting enough for Americans faced with this sort of power grab from their own government, but for foreigners the idea that another nation can commandeer the Internet, cut them off from it, or render it unusable is totally shocking, and not surprisingly, a source of no small consternation.

But either way, I'll still be able to play WoW cos those servers are in Europe BRAH, for me at least.

Roflrilla wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Roflrilla wrote:How is he exactly going to turn off the Internet all over the world.

Root servers are in multiple countries, sometimes when you do shit online it doesn't even leave your own continent.

This, that is why the 'WEB' was structured this way.

It wasn't structuered this way so someone doesn't have complete control. It was built this way so there isn't a single point of failure.

Someone has complete control?

anyway, it really doesn't matter
even NASA are now admitting that we're going to lose the internet shortly after 2012

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/spac ... ation.html

hackman wrote:i don't understand how you yanks let it get to that state

it may be shit over here, but at least there is public outrage when try to push something as draconian as that on us

Easy - the middle class is comfortable [still], even with the economy in the toilet. As long as there's Football on tv, price-fixed gasoline, and plenty of toilet paper nothing will change. Take away the country's supply of toilet paper and just watch the shit hit the fan and massive political change suddenly get discussed.

I'd also like to point out that you guys let bills like the anti-rave measure pass without violent uprising...

Roflrilla wrote:How is he exactly going to turn off the Internet all over the world.

Root servers are in multiple countries, sometimes when you do shit online it doesn't even leave your own continent.

Again though, much global internet traffic (I recall a figure like 87%. but don't remember where) passes through U.S. routers, lines, or servers at some point in its life. Much of the flow is transparent too and doesn't show up as being "handled" by U.S.-side machines. Also, most all of the leading search engines are based here as well as the developers of most of the big browsers: I'm sure Microsoft would more than happily cooperate and share their user statistics (which they've been doing for a while now already) to ferret out any illegal surfing in this scenario.

More good reads on this topic:

http://www.zdnet.com.au/internet-kill-s ... 303838.htm

and

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/24/the- ... -told-you/

As for you non-Americans, you may want to take note of the insidious language being used in the actual legislation, because it names all of cyberspace as an American asset.

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Roflrilla wrote:

Pedro Sánchez wrote:

Roflrilla wrote:How is he exactly going to turn off the Internet all over the world.

Root servers are in multiple countries, sometimes when you do shit online it doesn't even leave your own continent.

This, that is why the 'WEB' was structured this way.

It wasn't structuered this way so someone doesn't have complete control. It was built this way so there isn't a single point of failure.

Someone has complete control?

It wasn't made so someone could not control the ALL content of whats on the network.

Plz lern englich.