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dont anyone take this the wrong way, but ive been wondering lately.. it seems like everywhere you look, if you turn over a rock, you'll find 10 producers. maybe its because im exposed to more on the internet... i dont know.

but im beginning to think that producing music is the new "fanboi". i mean, a lot of people emulate the big names, and never innovate...

i suppose you should ask yourself why you do this, and if your a fanboi or if your a "producer" (whatever the fuck that means )

somedays im a producer... thats better than i used to be.

One day, a brilliant person (making great designs, flash animations, 3d-modeling, music and more) told me something like "see, people are doing flash animations because it's "cool" so they take pieces from here and there and make some stuff that is just not innovative". I answered him everybody involved would like to be capable of doing great new stuff.

My point is I love to make music, it even makes me feel as on drugs sometimes. Still, I'm not bringing the scene forward, I'll probably never be on a label, so call me a fanboy, call me what you will, I'll just never stop making music.

I consider it being a good thing...
The more people doing it, the more chance the (goes all hippy for a moment) collective consciousness of humanity has of spitting out something decent...

I know where you're coming from, tho... it's like how... I dunno... 5-10 years ago, DJing was seen as being an "elite" kinda thing, and then, all of a sudden (prolly with the mass release/availability of CDJs ) EVERYONE was a DJ!!! (at least it deflated some egos a little!)
Or, even before that (in my early to mid-teens), everyone worshipped a rock/metal/punk band, or whatever... then SUDDENLY everyone was in a fukn band!

It probably runs parallel with availability of emergent technologies- first it was easily available/adjustable effects pedals/racks, then it went on to easily/reasonably cheaply available CDJs and now... well... any motherfucker can pirate Ableton /FruityLoops /Cubase /Protools /whatever... not to mention the infinite variety of VSTs... and it doesn't cost nearly as much to juice up your PC to be a bedroom banger,either...

HOPEFULLY, though, this will (as I've already mentioned) mean a proliferation of CREATIVE outputs, rather than just a shitload of mediocre crap to have to wade through to get to the good bits!

As long as humanity is actively experimenting with creative/artistic endeavours, we're on the right track, IMHO! Some say art is meaningless... I say it keeps us "evolving" instead of simply revolving...

I agree. I think it's just because the means for making music (or art in general) have become so easily available, anybody can download a demo of reason or fruityloops and start calling himself a producer. What's wrong with that? More producers = more fanbois + more real innovators

haha i been doing this shit for time, every single person i know whos now a 'producer' began after me.. punks

but yeh artistic endeavours are one of the greatest thing man can do... for me personally, making music distracts me from the human condition. some people get seriously into drinking, drugs, girls etc etc for me, its all about making the next sickest beat, oh yeah and all the latter as well, standard

also i want to add another point, @ misk, in reality not many people do produce, outside my circle of contacts i rarely come by other producers its like some sort of dark art! just cos u obviously got ur head firmly in the scene it may seem like everyone produces.. but one thing which is annoying me a bit is the fact that producers dont really seem to get the respect due to them.
i mean its like a "cool" thing, what the hell would the clubs be saying and all other social arenas if they werent banging out tunes made by us? ur trying to chirpse a buff ting and you say- yeh yeh im a producer and give it all that, and it just dont seem to be getting ur end wet as much as it should be, people dont seem to be impressed although without ur music, the quality of nightlife just would be proper downgraded... its probably just my approach to women though

thats my opinion on things, producin just aint seen as cool as it should be, dont see how people are jumping onto it do u know wot i mean? hah

What a stupid thing to concern yourself with/think about.

Jubscarz wrote:What a stupid thing to concern yourself with/think about.

oi oi, if that comment is aimed at me im just saying music aint getting me as much fanny as it should be, get me

Jubscarz wrote:What a stupid thing to concern yourself with/think about.

i was bored, ya cock!

seriously tho, i dont think its a bad thing at all to have so many producers, and i agree with what was said here earlier, the collective unconscious of humanity moves forward as more people become involved in emergent technologies and ideas.

Ive found most ppl that openly admit to being producers but arent recognised as such ie: have no releases, are usually swag

whereas alot of ppl that say 'ye i make music from time to time' and are humble about what they do, those are usually the ppl with the talent, and being unsigned or having no releases doesn't bother the majority of them because they truly love creating music

I dont really pay attention to ppl that boast about what they do anyway, so bare ppl sayin 'ye blud i produce big tunes reh reh reh' can suk the fuk out >>>>

oh ye btw, I make music from time to time...

haha yeh u r right, the best musicians are humble.
i personally do love making music, its basically the only thing that gets me out bed in the morning. literally if i got an idea i gotta express even if means being very hungover and only having 2 hours sleep, its got to get out of my system.
but u know what, most creative people at the same time are lazy stnuc when it comes to marketing themselves, and theres something wrong with seeing gifted people go unrewarded. when it comes to shopping your product, theres nought wrong with being business minded and trying to go on the scarface tip and trying to obtain the finest things in life. you cant deny that making music for a living would be the best thing ever. surely?

I think it's OK for people new to making music to emulate what they hear.

Wobble, wobble, *movie sample*, wobble, etc, etc.

If the producers are ultimately about the art, rather than the science, they'll learn to make something fresh and have an original voice later on. If you just get into making music through a certain style, you'll only be influenced by that style. You need to listen to a lot of different music.

I'm hearing quite a bit of innovation here on the forums, though. It seems like there are people from very different musical backgrounds coming together and adding their knowledge and outside influences into the mix. Listeners and DJs seem open minded enough to adopt some unique sounding tracks, which is great.

I'm waiting for the sample CD makers to start putting out Dubstep Construction kits.

Competition makes you push yourself.

Quality will out.

Little Boh Peep wrote:Competition makes you push yourself.

Quality will out.

amen to this.

Plus I really don't understand the problem with people buying music software and toying around with it? So what if it's a hobby? You make stuff, get the nerve to play it for your friends, they like it, you play it out, great...

otherwise it stays in your bedroom... and I kindly ask you to please stay out of my bedroom.

If you are going to put yourself out there by broadcasting that you are producing then as LBP says, be prepared to be judged. I don't hear anyone complaining about getting too many 320s to play out do you?

Competition certainly pushes the production aspect of it, but does it push the art?

It could end up a massive production war.

I'd rather hear a poorly produced track with a spark of originality and a bit of soul, than a perfectly produced, yet uninspired thing. But maybe that's just me.

^^^ another valid point...

I just don't see the harm in people wanting to try and make music?

ozeb wrote:^^^ another valid point...

I just don't see the harm in people wanting to try and make music?

Exactly. There really isn't any harm, is there? The more the better. Maybe people are afraid of being awash in a big sea which will make them have to shout that little bit louder to be heard?

I always find it strange that people who are steadily working their way up in their little corner of the music world rag on those who are just starting out. I've seen it several times on different forums, and it's almost always from those who have *just* had a track picked up, or at least had some interest shown. It's like their ego suddenly swells and they can't handle themselves, even at the baby steps stage.

I mean, really. There is so much good stuff happening in Dubstep. There's room for everyone and everything. Just as long as the DJs find a slot for something that's out there or left field, which so far seems to be the happening. People seem to thrive on new sounds, which is excellent.

i agree, there is so much room in dubstep for all sorts of exciting sounds to breathe and be heard. I really just wonder what peoples thoughts are on producing, and ive been hearing talk about producing being the next DJing (LOL at that).

I do agree boh peep that competition is good for the music. and in the end, its only the music that matters. we're kind of pawns to this big, multi-armed monstrosity called "dubstep". i dont own it, i feel that it owns me.

two oh one wrote:I
I'm waiting for the sample CD makers to start putting out Dubstep Construction kits.

OH GAWD NOOOOO!!!

That's one of the things (besides the obvious mutoid bass wobbles) that's really got me feeling dubstep!

What I wanna hear (maybe I'll work on it when I've finished my current projects) is more HEAVY FUKN GEETARZ in dubstep!

(there's a hint for any "fanboi prods" out there wanting to try sumpin "new"...)

Misk wrote:ive been hearing talk about producing being the next DJing (LOL at that)

http://www.ableton.com/