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Hey ya'll whats up? so im newish to producing i know all the basics but im at a loss when it comes to more advanced techniques. i use massive and im trying to figure out how to make like a really really heavy sound that can stand alone after a drop. The Datsik excision industrial dubstep sound is fucking sick, as well as the 16 bit she said remix sound. im hearing that layering and resampling is key. but i dont really understand resampling. lets say i make a 3 ocs synth in massive i through some distortion it maybe a little chorus or what ever then i resample it.... what now? i have an audio file of the bass sound i just made. how do i make it sound huge like all the famus dubstep producers figured out how to do? datsik and company make it growl which i cant for the life of me figure out how to do. 16 bit has the most distorted sounding basses ive ever heard that arnt over board which i would also love to know how to do. rusko has a really distinct sound i cant put in words same with joker. but i guess my main question is how do i make a really really heavy sound ? or give some thing a huge amount of distortion that still sounds good. or if any one isnt sick of the cliche how to make the growly synth but any thing helps

put that wav file into a sampler, put more effects onto it.

make sure you don't overdo it. I've heard someone say something along the lines of "the best sounds aren't made by turning 1 dial to 11, but 11 dials to 1". The purpose of making a wav is purely to save cpu.

EQing is awesome, set one band to a very high Q, gain to max, and then sweep until you hear a nasty frequency, and then turn the gain down until it sounds good. Repeat some of the worse sounding frequencies are gone, and then resample again to save CPU

also mess around with the order of FX, it makes a MASSIVE difference.

Usually, when people refer to resampling, they mean that they record one long note from the synth going through a whole bunch of effects and then load that sound into a sampler, where they can play it on the keyboard. You need to pay attention to which note from the synth you recorded so that it pitches properly in the sampler.

But that's only one way to do it, with obvious drawbacks.

Phigure wrote:The purpose of making a wav is purely to save cpu.

Not entirely true. When you play a sampled bass note at a different pitch, all kinds of different things can start happening.

To B, there is a thread dedicated to this topic, stickied at the top of this forum. I believe there are links to statements made by your idols which will show you exactly how those sounds were (notice the past tense) made.

nowaysj wrote:

Phigure wrote:The purpose of making a wav is purely to save cpu.

Not entirely true. When you play a sampled bass note at a different pitch, all kinds of different things can start happening.

To B, there is a thread dedicated to this topic, stickied at the top of this forum. I believe there are links to statements made by your idols which will show you exactly how those sounds were (notice the past tense) made.

Good point, forgot about that

http://www.dogsonacid.com/showthread.ph ... perpage=50

For me, resampling is all about having a better control over your sound. You add a bit of an effect, then resample and so on. What effect you add is entirely up to you and depending on what you're trying to achieve.
Trying to reproduce bass sounds I heard in other tunes is often a frustrating experience, even tho I usually learn something from it I never achieve my goal. You may differ but if you start feeling frustrated just stop and do your own thing
Anyway, since you're new to producing, quit right now the idea of sounding like the pros.
In my experience, it's better to do with what you have (that 3 oscs bass sound with a bit of distortion and chorus you talked about) and think where you want to go with it and how you can do that.
Know your effects, how they work and how they affect sound and think about how you can use them creatively.
Chorus adds to the stereo image and tend to give an evil-ish grain to bass sounds. Flanger gives movement without removing frequencies, phaser gives movement but does also remove frequencies, which may sound good on a sound and not on another, etc. Having a frequency analyzer open while using effects can give you a better idea about what's going on and develop the ear-brain connection if that makes sense.
The order of effects is also crucial. Distortion before flanger sounds very different from distortion after flanger. Experiment with one effect at a time.

That being said, keep in mind resampling is a process that usually comes when you feel like you reached the limits of your synth which is probably not your case yet so imo you better start with that : learn how to make your bass sounds as fat as possible without resampling. Then, when you'll feel more confident about it, you'll learn about resampling to fatten things up. But if your sound is weak in the first place, resampling won't do any magic.

Yeah forget about resampling for now, just watch this and practice, this is more than enough :
http://www.youtube.com/user/thesoundtut ... 26FA49A855

maybe it's me? but I can make 16 bit basses directly out of massive without resampling

it's just alot of tweaking, it's not that hard....I'm using it for a couple of years now and I can almost make any bass sound I want....from the Lost sound to the 16 bit sound

dav.id wrote:maybe it's me? but I can make 16 bit basses directly out of massive without resampling

it's just alot of tweaking, it's not that hard....I'm using it for a couple of years now and I can almost make any bass sound I want....from the Lost sound to the 16 bit sound

resampling will still help you achieve sounds that you would otherwise never be able to create by regular means

Phigure wrote:

dav.id wrote:maybe it's me? but I can make 16 bit basses directly out of massive without resampling

it's just alot of tweaking, it's not that hard....I'm using it for a couple of years now and I can almost make any bass sound I want....from the Lost sound to the 16 bit sound

resampling will still help you achieve sounds that you would otherwise never be able to create by regular means

that is a point

dav.id wrote:maybe it's me? but I can make 16 bit basses directly out of my ass without resampling

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dav.id wrote:maybe it's me? but I can make 16 bit basses directly out of massive without resampling

it's just alot of tweaking, it's not that hard....I'm using it for a couple of years now and I can almost make any bass sound I want....from the Lost sound to the 16 bit sound

dav.id what kind of distortion is the tale of the exploding fist synth or the she said remix? is it just bit crushed or is there some thing else going on? because i can make a sound almost like that but it just sounds awfule becuase its way to muddy but maybe thats the whole 11 dials to one thing vs 1 dial to 11 but any ways thanks for all the advice

oh one last question is the growly bass sound the is in alot of industrial dubstep some big figure it out your self thing through hard work ? like theres not a plug in of some kind or trick that i dont know of to make the growly sound is there?

Benza wrote:oh one last question is the growly bass sound the is in alot of industrial dubstep some big figure it out your self thing through hard work ? like theres not a plug in of some kind or trick that i dont know of to make the growly sound is there?

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