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I explained to him simply that dubstep is like a breakbeat step mixed with reggae dubs. to almost make a slow drum and bass song.

heres the reply... what do u think?

wouldn't call Dubstep slow drum and bass because it doesn't even come close to the work that is required to produce a good sounding break in drum and bass. I hardly have heard any layering techniques in Dubstep that Drum and Bass uses. To me... the drums sound more like something I would hear from Big Beat.. Reason canned loops or something like that. A real saltine flavour cracker type drums. Good, but just bland.


See, the thing with Dubstep is that it is just a repackaging of several old ideas and trying to pass off as new. It's nothing new... really. It reminds me of Raggaetron. Old ideas passed off as new. Just not that exciting. I guess it's hard to get excited for a "new" style of music when you saw the start of edits. When Renegade snares came out and you heard the amen used as an insturement rather then just a looped break (the emu sampler left it's mark in the mid to late 90's)... or when you where around when Hardstep and the miss catagorized term Jungle (Jungle was a style of drum and bass that was completely absent of a kick, such as, original nuttah is the best of example I have ever heard, this comes from an interview with Shy FX by the way, but was abandoned because of it's indication of racism.. it becomes obvious how out of touch people are when they still use the term Jungle after ten years.) was around and the music was so much about how much you could edit a break and create bizarre rhythm sections. It's hard to go from drum and bass, the most progressive music to come about in the 90's and hear something that is just average really. Plus it's been around forever and hearing about it now just seems like doing a review on a Led Zepplin album that was released in the sixties. Dubstep is at least six years old this and just not that exciting.

would peg you as listening to the music for maybe four or five years. Still knowledgeable to some extent but not exposed enough to it to know that most has already been done before. So... Dubstep.. ehh... just a sort of funky trip hop... Maybe the IDM of Downtempo... But whatever.

Oh... and for the record... the first drum and bass choon I heard was "Charley" By Prodigy in 1992 (the drum and bass remix on that album)... Some of the older drum and bass producers I talk to even reference drum and bass as early as 1989. But what is drum and bass really... Just faster rave music with the lead synth replaced with a bass and fewer pianos and not so much high pitched vocals. 1994 is when the main stream finally got use to the music.

People thought Hip Hop was a fase

Thomas wrote:People thought Hip Hop was a fase

indeed
but to rap is universal in music now.

so is he saying a genre isnt worth listening to unless its complicated to make?

because some of that glitch idm industrial stuff being made now days is "technically" mind blowing, but an absolute pile of shit to listen too. Hip hop is probably as basic if not more so than Dubstep and look how big that is. I don't really understand his position on this, is he hating on Dubstep or not?. Also he says its all been done before, personally I'd like proof of this, I would like to hear some examples of people using bass synths the way they are often used in dubstep from another genre of music, dnb doesn't even come close. dont get me wrong I love my jungle, grew up on it, but theres no real defineable similarity between the 2 genres.

Also, that jungle thing he mentioned, about it referring to a form of dnb without a kick, link me to the Shy FX article please, because I think thats absolute bollox. you can jump on wikipedia and find a completely different and slightly more beleivable reason as to the name, but I'm not conviced either way.

Hip Hop isnt rap though, mussent forget the first commandment.

Tho shal not confuse Hip Hop and rap

also important to remember the second

thow shall not confuse rapping and rape

Man i have this problem almost daily. Ever since getting into dubstep i've been on this evangelist shit trying to get people into it. But even some other dance heads will find the genre hard to understand. I've given up trying t define the genre and only tend to give a toss explaining it to people if they're willing to actually listen to the music.

ajantis_art wrote:Man i have this problem almost daily. Ever since getting into dubstep i've been on this evangelist shit trying to get people into it. But even some other dance heads will find the genre hard to understand. I've given up trying t define the genre and only tend to give a toss explaining it to people if they're willing to actually listen to the music.

indeed i all i know is that i like it alot.
its better to call it breakbeats with heavy bass,and a mixture of reggae dubs.

think of it as trance. but in halftime. and oh yeah, without the weak-ass, ibiza-vacationing, crobar-infesting, $200/bottle-buying sucky-ness. replace that w/ something deep that we cant explain but we just know and see in the presence of others and...

dubstep!

30hz really rocks your brain.

tell him drum and bass is speeded up h.a.r.d.c.o.r.e

does it matter what other people think if you like it who cares what they think or say fook em.

feasible_weasel wrote: its better to call it breakbeats with heavy bass,and a mixture of reggae dubs.

But is it??

TeReKeTe wrote:think of it as trance. but in halftime. and oh yeah, without the weak-ass, ibiza-vacationing, crobar-infesting, $200/bottle-buying sucky-ness. replace that w/ something deep that we cant explain but we just know and see in the presence of others and...

dubstep!

lol....GOSPEL!

half speed trance?

LMFAO

jog on son >>

Yawn fucking yawn

I'm pretty much the only one playing Dubstep in Pittsburgh and I play at mostly dnb events. The reaction has been mostly possitive. I gave out a mix and it has gotten way more attention than any of my dnb mixes. A few people have told me that they aren't into it but then they haven't really listened to much so how would they know they don't like it? I do see alot of shit on DOA though, like people are offended by it or something, doesn't make much sense to me.

it's ok to not like dubstep. just want to put that out there. the worst thing you can do is force things on people.

yeah i guess this guy has convinced me to like drum and bass more. he is smart. see you guys later.

Yeah, fair play to the bre really. Seems that he just doesn't really rate Dubstep or find it exciting. That's fair enough really, not everyones gonna rate the music and that won't make the slightest bit of difference to those of us who do.
I don't really understand where the whole kinda technical complexity argument is going though. Nuff completely sick Drum and bass tunes have had simple beats e.g. "The One". And nuff tunes have been made in a really tech, layered, production perfect way and have still been completely dry IMO.

On a kinda different but kinda related note, I understand but don't agree with the comparisons made between Dubstep and Drum and Bass (especially modern drum and bass) as in my opinion they are just not that similar.
What I do think is that both Dubstep and Jungle (By which I mean around 93-95) make me feel the same kind of excitement when hearing them. There are some similarities of the two e.g. sub bass. But I think it's more just the overall vibe you get from both. I know that sounds kinda like breeze but i'm sure bare mans who love both styles know what I mean.
Anyway, i'm sure loads of people are gonna carry on being converted to the way of the dub and loads of people are never get into it. Tis life.
RAMBLE OVER

"On a kinda different but kinda related note, I understand but don't agree with the comparisons made between Dubstep and Drum and Bass (especially modern drum and bass) as in my opinion they are just not that similar.
What I do think is that both Dubstep and Jungle (By which I mean around 93-95) make me feel the same kind of excitement when hearing them. There are some similarities of the two e.g. sub bass. But I think it's more just the overall vibe you get from both. I know that sounds kinda like breeze but i'm sure bare mans who love both styles know what I mean."

Took the words out of my mouth.