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Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 12:38 pm
by shahbazi
When i load samples into drum rack they seem to sound a lot weaker, is this mainly just down to the volume being default at -12dB?
Whats a suitable volume to change this too? thanks
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:04 pm
by abZ
shahbazi wrote:When i load samples into drum rack they seem to sound a lot weaker, is this mainly just down to the volume being default at -12dB?
Whats a suitable volume to change this too? thanks
Check the release on the ASDR. Turn it up all the way to start with so the full sample plays. Later you can adjust it back down if you want to.
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 1:29 pm
by surefya
It could also be the velocity sensitivity. I noticed that if i turn that up the samples get louder.
Try it by putting the velocity up in the simpler of one of the samples and then right clicking and selecting 'copy to siblings'
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 2:43 pm
by Kromakey
Every time I load a hit into drum rack I change the volume to 0db and set the velocity to 50. That will give you something to work with. I have no idea why the volume always sets to -12db automatically but it's not what you want.
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 3:01 pm
by abZ
Kromakey wrote:Every time I load a hit into drum rack I change the volume to 0db and set the velocity to 50. That will give you something to work with. I have no idea why the volume always sets to -12db automatically but it's not what you want.
Speak for yourself. I do not want every sound hitting at 0db because the rack will be in the red on the mixer. You can set your own defaults but I would leave that one there tbh.
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:50 pm
by streetxlite
FUCK the drum rack
Drag your audio samples into their own channels in arrangement view... besides adding a bunch of one shots to your arrangement it simplifies things.
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:22 pm
by abZ
streetxlite wrote:FUCK the drum rack
Drag your audio samples into their own channels in arrangement view... besides adding a bunch of one shots to your arrangement it simplifies things.
You are crazy, drum racks own.
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 5:45 pm
by larspro
I normally just throw a saturator on the whole rack. Definitley boost the velocity though so you can adjust each hit in the loop separately .
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Wed Sep 15, 2010 10:17 pm
by gh02
surefya wrote:It could also be the velocity sensitivity. I noticed that if i turn that up the samples get louder.
Try it by putting the velocity up in the simpler of one of the samples and then right clicking and selecting 'copy to siblings'
^this^ try setting one sample to about 70-75% velocity, then right click...copy to siblings. Velocity is set to zero by default.
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 10:47 am
by sully_harmitage
surefya wrote:right clicking and selecting 'copy to siblings'
Mate you just saved about 3 months of my life.
How do you change the default settings though?
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:08 pm
by gh02
u cant change the default but u could save a drum rack template? I don't bother though personally
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:20 pm
by surefya
sully.harmitage wrote:surefya wrote:right clicking and selecting 'copy to siblings'
Mate you just saved about 3 months of my life.
How do you change the default settings though?
No prob glad to help
and like gh02 said you could set the velocity how you like it, then remove the samples and save it.
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 12:41 pm
by sully_harmitage
ah as a preset? gotcha.
ta once more!
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 1:12 pm
by surefya
sully.harmitage wrote:ah as a preset? gotcha.
ta once more!
Yeah as a preset, but have some time here at work so researched a bit:
found this thread:
http://forum.ableton.com/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=80481
excerpt:
saving defaults for Simpler is for solo instances of Simpler only, not for simplers inside drum racks..
goto: Library/Defaults/Dropping Samples/On Drum Rack
drag the default setting for Simpler in that 'On Drum Rack' folder..
when you now drag a sample on a drum rack pad it uses your custom Simpler settings..
Can not try it right now but might work
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 2:31 pm
by DZA
streetxlite wrote:FUCK the drum rack
Drag your audio samples into their own channels in arrangement view... besides adding a bunch of one shots to your arrangement it simplifies things.
This allday long
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:39 pm
by looney
all day long is exactly how much time you spend copy pasting drum hits every time you tweak something if you dont use drum racks
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 3:42 pm
by DZA
It takes the same amount of time
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:52 pm
by revdaxx
I don't like Drum Racks.
I load all single hits into separate SImpler tracks then MIDI program stuff. Works for me.
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:57 pm
by tylerblue
shahbazi wrote:When i load samples into drum rack they seem to sound a lot weaker, is this mainly just down to the volume being default at -12dB?
Whats a suitable volume to change this too? thanks
The suitable volume to change it to is completely dependent on your mixdown. But leave yourself plenty of headroom and build your drums around your kick/snare.
Re: Drum Rack Sounds Weak
Posted: Thu Sep 16, 2010 4:59 pm
by tylerblue
revdaxx wrote:I don't like Drum Racks.
I load all single hits into separate SImpler tracks then MIDI program stuff. Works for me.
Drum Racks are all single hits loaded into separate Simpler tracks with tons of macro control possibilities. Drum Racks are brilliant if you know how to use them.