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Looking for a few tips and pointers on some old school jungle beats, I know the tracks are often drum heavy around but I'm struggling with the general pattern of it!

Was looking to put some over a break in a new drum and bass tune I've been working on - Hope someones able to point me in the right direction!

Why thankyou my man!

uh, amen?

when i make d&b i look to old jungle for inspiration (i bought an assload of it on vinyl back in the day - may as well use it!). i'm not a break-user myself, i like to program the beats from scratch. but if you look at most drum patterns, they're all pretty much amen breaks, high passed with some new bass drum trickery, occasionally some added snare work.

knowing how to drum helps. but quite frankly, i think the drums are the most fun part of making a track. play around. don't copy. nothing is wrong, just play with beats. if it feels awkward, change it up. add some swing, get it groovin. it's supposed to be fun, dude.

Whenever I make anything with a jungle vibe I like slicing up an amen (or some other nice break) into sections like kick hat snare; hat ghost hat ghost; kick snare etc. I will then use these sections (timestretched to the correct tempo of course) to make my beat.

Also critically listen to a lot of jungle, hell import it into your DAW and see how they vary the beat up and you'll soon get a feel for the rhythmic style.

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Recessive Trait wrote: i think the drums are the most fun part of making a track. play around. don't copy. nothing is wrong, just play with beats. if it feels awkward, change it up. add some swing, get it groovin. it's supposed to be fun, dude.

I agree man, i LOVE doing drums but i just wanted a little pointer to get the ball rolling!
I won't even dream of getting the bass down until they're tight as hell!

How you properly cut out the ghost-snare out of the Amen? Do I gotta use a dedicated beatslicer? I do all my slicing by hand/ear and it works great except for that pesky ghost snare in the Amen. -.-

Genevieve wrote:How you properly cut out the ghost-snare out of the Amen? Do I gotta use a dedicated beatslicer? I do all my slicing by hand/ear and it works great except for that pesky ghost snare in the Amen. -.-

Zoom in so you can see the the individual transients as they occur, the find out which hits in the shuffles are ghost snares (here's a hint it goes hat snare hat snare, so in the shuffle that lasts one beat, the ghost snares are the 2nd and 4th hits out of the 4).

Wrigzilla wrote:

Genevieve wrote:How you properly cut out the ghost-snare out of the Amen? Do I gotta use a dedicated beatslicer? I do all my slicing by hand/ear and it works great except for that pesky ghost snare in the Amen. -.-

Zoom in so you can see the the individual transients as they occur, the find out which hits in the shuffles are ghost snares (here's a hint it goes hat snare hat snare, so in the shuffle that lasts one beat, the ghost snares are the 2nd and 4th hits out of the 4).

Well, my problem's basically seeing the transients in the ghost snares. I guess it's trial and error then.

Cut up breaks obviously, pretend you are a drummer and follow the natural groove of the break. It just takes time to get it right and move on to more complicated things.

Genevieve wrote:

Wrigzilla wrote:

Genevieve wrote:How you properly cut out the ghost-snare out of the Amen? Do I gotta use a dedicated beatslicer? I do all my slicing by hand/ear and it works great except for that pesky ghost snare in the Amen. -.-

Zoom in so you can see the the individual transients as they occur, the find out which hits in the shuffles are ghost snares (here's a hint it goes hat snare hat snare, so in the shuffle that lasts one beat, the ghost snares are the 2nd and 4th hits out of the 4).

Well, my problem's basically seeing the transients in the ghost snares. I guess it's trial and error then.

In the last 2 bars of the amen break I've circled (badly because I'm left handed and used a right handed mouse to do it) the ghost snares.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww19 ... ghosts.png

Genevieve wrote:How you properly cut out the ghost-snare out of the Amen? Do I gotta use a dedicated beatslicer? I do all my slicing by hand/ear and it works great except for that pesky ghost snare in the Amen. -.-

You can cut those ghost hits out by hand, but it is often better to leave a tail of the break (the ghost notes) when chopping a kick, hat, snare and then re-arranging those cuts with the ghost hits intact. It takes some time when using multiple layered breaks to get the right tempo and pitch, but when you do, this is where you get the funk.

EZ

we're sorry mr. kirk

he died of an overdose

he died of an overdose

he died of an overdose

also, if we're talking amens, we need to mention Rantoul "Defalt." Goddamn GLK/LGK released some amazing material.

Sharmaji wrote:we're sorry mr. kirk

he died of an overdose

he died of an overdose

he died of an overdose

also, if we're talking amens, we need to mention Rantoul "Defalt." Goddamn GLK/LGK released some amazing material.

Stebrah wrote:Looking for a few tips and pointers on some old school jungle beats, I know the tracks are often drum heavy around but I'm struggling with the general pattern of it!

Was looking to put some over a break in a new drum and bass tune I've been working on - Hope someones able to point me in the right direction!

Listen to the music you world like to produce would be a good start. Ty and get a good understanding of it otherwise your attempt will be a fail no doubt.

Weird you would want to make a genre that you know nothing of?! sometimes I end up making things by mistake that were not planned. But to sit down and try to make a genre that I know nothing about? dunno how you got there tbh.

Sharmaji wrote: if we're talking amens, we need to mention Rantoul "Defalt." Goddamn GLK/LGK released some amazing material.

This is THE amen tune on Good Lookin' IMO

Or maybe



Both are ridiculously good tunes. The build to the drop in Planet 3 is

Wrigzilla wrote:

Genevieve wrote:

Wrigzilla wrote:

Genevieve wrote:How you properly cut out the ghost-snare out of the Amen? Do I gotta use a dedicated beatslicer? I do all my slicing by hand/ear and it works great except for that pesky ghost snare in the Amen. -.-

Zoom in so you can see the the individual transients as they occur, the find out which hits in the shuffles are ghost snares (here's a hint it goes hat snare hat snare, so in the shuffle that lasts one beat, the ghost snares are the 2nd and 4th hits out of the 4).

Well, my problem's basically seeing the transients in the ghost snares. I guess it's trial and error then.

In the last 2 bars of the amen break I've circled (badly because I'm left handed and used a right handed mouse to do it) the ghost snares.
http://i719.photobucket.com/albums/ww19 ... ghosts.png

Yeah this is where I cut, but when I arrange the break later in Renoise, the hi-hat/ghost snare groove isn't intact anymore and feels unnatural. Ugh. -.-

I'm used to sample-offsetting instead of manual slicing and wanna try something "new".

serox wrote:

Stebrah wrote:Looking for a few tips and pointers on some old school jungle beats, I know the tracks are often drum heavy around but I'm struggling with the general pattern of it!

Was looking to put some over a break in a new drum and bass tune I've been working on - Hope someones able to point me in the right direction!

Listen to the music you world like to produce would be a good start. Ty and get a good understanding of it otherwise your attempt will be a fail no doubt.

Weird you would want to make a genre that you know nothing of?! sometimes I end up making things by mistake that were not planned. But to sit down and try to make a genre that I know nothing about? dunno how you got there tbh.

I made a house tune with only listen to about 5 house records in my life and its been getting attention and a possible signing by a huge house label cause it was "unique"..Sometimes ignorance is the greatest gift,

Genevieve wrote:Yeah this is where I cut, but when I arrange the break later in Renoise, the hi-hat/ghost snare groove isn't intact anymore and feels unnatural. Ugh. -.-

I'm used to sample-offsetting instead of manual slicing and wanna try something "new".

Ah so you want to remove the ghost snare, but when you do the groove suddenly sounds wrong? The Amen is an especially splashy break and when you cut out a ghost snare and leave the space blank you're suddenly cutting off room reflections/decay of cymbals. To get around this you could insert reversed high hats where the ghosts used to be.