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racism and policing DMZ, mass, raves

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:04 pm
by secretagentgel
wow. sorry if this is a repost.
copied from:
http://history-is-made-at-night.blogspo ... ppers.html
Interesting article in last week's Time Out London about policing of grime nights:

"Imagine a society where the police force says which musicians can and can't perform. Actually, there's no need, it is happening already. So what has the Met got against grime?

Our Nightlife team has long rated DMZ at Brixton’s Mass. ‘We won’t do black nights, we just can’t have them here,’ says a member of the Mass staff who wishes to remain anonymous. ‘The police don’t want us to. They’ve told us not to put them on. The police now have this thing called Club Focus; we have to provide the name, address, date of birth and last three gigs for every DJ and promoter. We’ve had to hire someone full-time to keep on top of it. We don’t get any trouble at DMZ, it’s brilliant. The police are closing a lot of nights down in Brixton, soon black people won’t have anywhere to go.’ Perhaps DMZ escapes scrutiny because – despite being about bass-heavy, urban music – it avoids the grime tag.

Lethal [Bizzle] released his dynamite single ‘Pow’ in 2004 and was immediately cast straight into the centre of the grime scene. The same single, says Khan [his manager], caused the police to refuse to let him play anywhere. [Lethal says] 'There hasn’t been a proper rave up in, oh man, I couldn’t even tell you. Certain areas get silly dickheads going, and there’s the possibility that something might happen. If it does, it’s the artist’s fault. When indie kids jump around, it’s moshing. When black people do it, it’s a riot.’

I put all this to DI Darren Warner of the Met’s clubs and vice department: ‘Part of our ethos as police officers in London is to create a safe environment. Our ambition is to risk assess every nightclub in London but obviously we can’t. Clearly, if it’s a Duran Duran tribute night, we’re not going to be expecting too much of a problem. What that actually means is that we ask venue owners to complete some forms and send in some basic details of what they want to do. We risk assessed 130 events in January and, in the past three months, only two events have been cancelled by us. There are only so many options we’ve got if we think that an event is going to cause harm: we can beef up the venue’s security, we can beef up the policing, or the absolute outside option, we can cancel it.’

‘Which events did you cancel?’‘I can’t say, but the reality is, there just aren’t that many grime nights.’‘But isn’t that because the police won’t let them take place?’‘We can’t ignore recent events, let’s put it that way. If a promoter has had violence at an event, and they’re putting on a similar club night in two weeks, we’d be negligent if we didn’t try and provide a safe environment.’

‘So if someone’s putting on a grime night, how do they go about dealing with the police?’‘They should email us (clubsfocusdeskco14@met.police.uk) about the specific night. We’d like to know about it and we’ll go through them on an individual basis. This isn’t genre-targetted, not at all. I’d like to say that our approach works. We’ve seen a significant reduction in violence and gun crime in the clubs we risk assess.’ " (full article Time Out London, March 7 2007)

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:12 pm
by spaceboy
now u know why funky house is getting popular...

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:19 pm
by cure
brutal.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:24 pm
by el sudor
supa d is getting grief ive heard.. trouble makers like him... westminster council banned garage ages ago.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:35 pm
by dq
Iz it cuz I iz black?

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:50 pm
by el sudor
but is itr racism??

or is it that the people at these dances are trouble makers... to claim racism is a bit much.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:03 pm
by ragoju
Rollercoaster had this exact problem at mass last year.

It's harsh but they do have a point, when certain events/genres attract trouble all the time they will be cracked down on.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:17 pm
by shonky
El Sudor wrote:but is itr racism??

or is it that the people at these dances are trouble makers... to claim racism is a bit much.
Seeing as grime's got quite a big white contingent too, I wouldn't have thought it's racist, just some aggy fuckers ruining it for the others. Most of the trouble seems to be at dnb nights down here, and that seems to have lost the majority of it's multi-cultural origins and is now pretty much all white from what I can see.

Mind you, can't remember any clubs being shut down over it though. Or even the police being called to be honest. Policy just seems to be to get them out of the club sharpish and not have it happen on site.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 4:53 pm
by coleco
Hang on, it COULD be because these certain nights have more trouble...

But in relation to DMZ, WTF? Its one of the most chilled nights ive ever seen!

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:16 pm
by cody
from my experience most aggro has been at dnb mights, partly why i stopped going to them as much along with overcorwding at samey same tunes, well pretty much altogether now that i think about it. have seen some raw shit at mass few years ago at a jungle rave and saw the aftermath of a shooting on old strret 7/8 months ago i think.

i would go to grime nights more but i dont really see that many advertised or talked about on radio. ive seen virus syndicate a few times and the atmosphere has been hype but not seen major drama compard with fabric on a playaz night.

i kind of missed the garage thing when they had big raves so i cant really comment to much. from what older mates say tho is that the vibe changed for the worse when garage went from the smaller clubs and blew up into the big super clubs.

i too have read about councils/authorities banning promoters from putting on garage dances full stop but in brixton not westminster. without knowing how many actual grime raves have been cancelled by feds in the past two years for example its impossible to say whether or not they aint happening due to feds banning them or just a lack of actual nights themselves being put on.

if someone really wanted to throw a grime rave tho they could the tools are there if they just took a leaf out of the techno/ free party scene. find location/sort system/book artists/promote/promote/promote. couldnt they?

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:19 pm
by spaceboy
grime free party? you'd get robbed for everything u had on ya. :D

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:26 pm
by cody
Spaceboy wrote:grime free party? you'd get robbed for everything u had on ya. :D
you might be right. but my point still stands. if you really really really want to throw a rave it is possible internet/forums/myspace/phone/multitude of djs mcs out there. dont matter what genre music grime/mashcore/polkastep. get me?

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:29 pm
by spaceboy
no doubt the internet and forums have been massively great tools in bringing people together and informing them

probably the most important thing after the music itself.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:33 pm
by juakali
well, in the 60s when punk was getting big in the UK they paired it with reggae to calm those punk kids down... they would proper trash a venue b4 the night was over... it caught on and lots of acts toured with punk groups and vice versa for two decades.

I have not been to a grime rave ever, so i have no clue how it is. but I've been to a few spots in the Bronx and Brooklyn that got shot up proper where the club changed it's name and re-opened a month later... hip hop.

Promoters, agents and managers have to come up with a strategy to get their grime artists out there. I've seen some pop up on the festival circuit. From what i know, dubstep in the UK is taking off in a different direction from grime where most cats don't even come to the raves heavy and if they do, they got the 'eyes to the floor'. much like dubstep in the states, the vibe is a lot mellower from dnb or general club nights. dub, reggae and hip hop heads are getting into the dance

Not sure how the UK should proceed with grime, cops aren't going anywhere and I got to feel the grime vibe myself for a more constrictive opinion.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:35 pm
by sand leaper
Prancehall/Logan/Easychord/Plastician/Luca, your time.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:39 pm
by pete_bubonic
I dunno what it's like in London, but in Bristol the big Grime nights have a majority following of a black crowd. Not to say there aren't other brehs there but definitely the majority, same with the big garage nights before Grime was about (although they had more white girls, go figure). But to claim racism is a bit far fetched. Simple fact is, there have been some big bad tings happened blown up in the media and the police have to be seen to do something (and rightly so). It goes so far that I have had well known names warn me about running grime nights in Bristol because of the bad publicity and obstacles it will attract.

It's a fucking annoyance to be honest. And the way the government are seemingly becoming more and more militant about these things and less encouraging of the underground dance scene (ironically the one reason I stay in the UK) I can only see it getting worse. But when have the police or the government ever really been a helping hand to the underground scenes in the last couple of decades?

Re: racism and policing DMZ, mass, raves

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:47 pm
by lightness
secretagentgel wrote:wow. sorry if this is a repost.
copied from:
http://history-is-made-at-night.blogspo ... ppers.html
...When indie kids jump around, it’s moshing. When black people do it, it’s a riot...
this is how the police see it

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:48 pm
by crazydave
cody wrote:grime/mashcore/polkastep.
I would pay to see that combination!! :)

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:59 pm
by seckle
over here in nyc we have the same bullshit and the same racial profiling by the cops. in fact the hardest part about throwing parties in nyc is dealing with the strangle hold put forth by the police's zoning and nightlife taskforce, ironically called the "Quality Of Life Squad". they regularily put nightclubs under surveillance and send undercover cops into big parties to monitor activity.
in the last 2 years we've seen the introduction of ID scanner's which scan driving licences of everyone entering the club to see if the ID is real as well as seeing if the person is a felon or has a criminal record.

we've been very lucky in this scene to have such positivity and peace vibes. i really hope that continues.

Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:10 pm
by spooKs
seckle wrote:"Quality Of Life Squad"
proper 1984 shit :o
US government never ceases to amaze eh

even more ironically, it does sound a bit like the name of a grime crew :lol: