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How do you get your hats and highs to sound like this (drop 1:40)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ot-LMuPgs

Is it just a couple of hats or loads? In a break with lots of ghost notes? I dont get it ><

if you have 2 hi hat samples (let's say 'o' means open and '-' means closed) and they're alternating in 8th notes as such:

o-o-o-o-...etc

thats not really going to cut it, it doesn't really give any sense of speed or emergency like well programmed drum parts in dnb or *cringe* drum step... do, you need to find a decent break sample somewhere that has a good shuffle with some really tightly controlled ride cymbals in there (or shakers or a tamborine, anything will work as long as it adds some sense of movement) to get a bit of variation in sound most breaks will have at least one part you can cut out that'll look a bit like this (where 'o' is an open hat '-' is a closed hat, '|' is maybe a ride and x is another differently pitched ride)

__|___x
o_-_o_-

when you high pass that and layer it under your parts, it gives them a bit more of a feeling of motion because your ear doesn't really separate things that well and just hears a kind of blur that sounds that are rolling into each other

you can hear ghost snares in there in the pendulum one as well, just alternating like hell under the shuffles, again just another way to add color to it and a sense of movement.

I'm not a dnb expert and the things I'm saying are all just things that have been passed on to me really, but since I started layering high passed breaks into my processed drums my dnb sounds have gotten a lot better than they were, and when i started getting the ghost snares working properly everything clicked a little more. Placement of ghost snares is difficult though, takes a bit of practice, putting them in the 'wrong' place can end up making your beat sound slower or just messy.

If you use compression correctly you can use it to make your snare and hi-hats sound really snappy and get rid of that white noise tail you sometimes get that sounds kinda messy and can stifle the sense of forward momentum in your loop. Although if you pick the right samples in the first place and mix well you shouldn't need to use a compressor (I think anyway)

There are some great videos on youtube by some big names showing you how they process their drums you should check them out, just search "dnb drum processing" or "dnb drums in (insert your daw here)" and you should get some decent results.

Also, Dogs on Acid is probably a better place to go for good advice on how to make dnb-esque drums.

Hopefully all that isn't too incoherant :/

kaiori breathe wrote:if you have 2 hi hat samples (let's say 'o' means open and '-' means closed) and they're alternating in 8th notes as such:

o-o-o-o-...etc

thats not really going to cut it, it doesn't really give any sense of speed or emergency like well programmed drum parts in dnb or *cringe* drum step... do, you need to find a decent break sample somewhere that has a good shuffle with some really tightly controlled ride cymbals in there (or shakers or a tamborine, anything will work as long as it adds some sense of movement) to get a bit of variation in sound most breaks will have at least one part you can cut out that'll look a bit like this (where 'o' is an open hat '-' is a closed hat, '|' is maybe a ride and x is another differently pitched ride)

__|___x
o_-_o_-

when you high pass that and layer it under your parts, it gives them a bit more of a feeling of motion because your ear doesn't really separate things that well and just hears a kind of blur that sounds that are rolling into each other

you can hear ghost snares in there in the pendulum one as well, just alternating like hell under the shuffles, again just another way to add color to it and a sense of movement.

I'm not a dnb expert and the things I'm saying are all just things that have been passed on to me really, but since I started layering high passed breaks into my processed drums my dnb sounds have gotten a lot better than they were, and when i started getting the ghost snares working properly everything clicked a little more. Placement of ghost snares is difficult though, takes a bit of practice, putting them in the 'wrong' place can end up making your beat sound slower or just messy.

If you use compression correctly you can use it to make your snare and hi-hats sound really snappy and get rid of that white noise tail you sometimes get that sounds kinda messy and can stifle the sense of forward momentum in your loop. Although if you pick the right samples in the first place and mix well you shouldn't need to use a compressor (I think anyway)

There are some great videos on youtube by some big names showing you how they process their drums you should check them out, just search "dnb drum processing" or "dnb drums in (insert your daw here)" and you should get some decent results.

Also, Dogs on Acid is probably a better place to go for good advice on how to make dnb-esque drums.

Hopefully all that isn't too incoherant :/

that was beauts man

it sounds like their tripling the closed hi hats and then filling the gap with the open ones

Thanks alot for the reply, much appreciated.

I tried doing what you said but it still sounds wank. Could you suggest what type of sounding hats to use as there are so many different sounding rides and hats

cheers

quit wrote:Thanks alot for the reply, much appreciated.

I tried doing what you said but it still sounds wank. Could you suggest what type of sounding hats to use as there are so many different sounding rides and hats

cheers

like i said, i'm not an expert, i think you really just gotta use your own ears on this one man, and keep trying till you get it right :/ theres a nu:tune sample pack and a danny byrd (sp?) sample pack floating around somewhere which both have some good one shots of shuffles and hats, the mean beats sample pack is supposedly very good too if you can hunt it down.

sorry i can't help more mate

Sounds to me like you would be far better off learning howto program these types of beats rather than reaching for a the nearest break.

If you're using Reason, grab the Rns file on link provided, theres about 10 different dnb patterns programmed in, very useful.

http://www.simonv.com/tutorials/reason.php

sounds like a blast beat alternating between a ride bell and a closed hihat.