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any suggestions? or am i just overloading similar frequency ranges?

it's possible you will have a frequency clash here...is it possible to hear a clip of the problem bit? it would help in identifying the problem

an 808 basically is just sub, so don't play both at once. ez.

EQ bruv. push frequencies of kick drum at around 90hz. cut subbass at same amount. Although a whole different kick drum will probably work better

about the issue of this in general. I find kicks lose all there power when i cut the lower frequencies. And I personally would rather not side chain to maintain booming kicks and a sub. But I dont understand how to have both at the same time. Are there just kick samples that punch in upper frequency ranges?

briskisgoodforu wrote:about the issue of this in general. I find kicks lose all there power when i cut the lower frequencies. And I personally would rather not side chain to maintain booming kicks and a sub. But I dont understand how to have both at the same time. Are there just kick samples that punch in upper frequency ranges?

Yes, tons of gret samples that hit hard into the upper ranges, I aggree with you about rolling them off though, I rather like having my low end to them, with plenty of top end stuff to keep the listeners ears on it....

Mix your kick n your snare in high volume, not to high, but high enough they shine through, if you ever get the track mastered, it will be one of the easier things to work with dynamically too, usually the first thing m.e.'s wann play with, those kick snare transients.

On the 808s note though, its DAMN hard to make an 808 sit with anything on the sub octaves and not run into problems. Some things you can consider, sidechaining, obviously, and really, sidechaind 808s n subs sound tits imo... Saturation on the 808 sample, can work wonders. Stick an instance of tessla on that shit, crank to pregain and the amount, turn the post volume down... follow with tape saturation or some subtle overdrive... kinda changing the sound alot there though... Tune your 808, that helps alot, becuse there sine aves on the tails youll get phse issues with them and the subs that make them disappear, but get the tune right, you got the phase right, and theyll sort of harmonize, with will preserve a bit of power, especially in regards to mono!

None of those are the best options in the world, gonna change the sound a bit, but, youll have power.

Basic A wrote:

briskisgoodforu wrote:about the issue of this in general. I find kicks lose all there power when i cut the lower frequencies. And I personally would rather not side chain to maintain booming kicks and a sub. But I dont understand how to have both at the same time. Are there just kick samples that punch in upper frequency ranges?

Yes, tons of gret samples that hit hard into the upper ranges, I aggree with you about rolling them off though, I rather like having my low end to them, with plenty of top end stuff to keep the listeners ears on it....

Mix your kick n your snare in high volume, not to high, but high enough they shine through, if you ever get the track mastered, it will be one of the easier things to work with dynamically too, usually the first thing m.e.'s wann play with, those kick snare transients.

On the 808s note though, its DAMN hard to make an 808 sit with anything on the sub octaves and not run into problems. Some things you can consider, sidechaining, obviously, and really, sidechaind 808s n subs sound tits imo... Saturation on the 808 sample, can work wonders. Stick an instance of tessla on that shit, crank to pregain and the amount, turn the post volume down... follow with tape saturation or some subtle overdrive... kinda changing the sound alot there though... Tune your 808, that helps alot, becuse there sine aves on the tails youll get phse issues with them and the subs that make them disappear, but get the tune right, you got the phase right, and theyll sort of harmonize, with will preserve a bit of power, especially in regards to mono!

None of those are the best options in the world, gonna change the sound a bit, but, youll have power.

it's reading posts like this at breakfast that makes me love this forum.

I only started playing about with 808's lately and immediately ran into the same problem and was quite unimpressed.

My remedy was to keep the kick's where they were, pretty much untouched by eq (defo untouched in the low end)
But inbetween the kicks, what i did was get some more instances of the 808 in another sampler with the immediate hit sliced off so theres no punch, just the tail and you get a nice smooth piece of sub inbetween the kicks. Reverse some of those and it gets even more interesting.

Just make sure they arent overlapping or hitting in the same places of course.

hasezwei wrote:

Basic A wrote:

briskisgoodforu wrote:about the issue of this in general. I find kicks lose all there power when i cut the lower frequencies. And I personally would rather not side chain to maintain booming kicks and a sub. But I dont understand how to have both at the same time. Are there just kick samples that punch in upper frequency ranges?

Yes, tons of gret samples that hit hard into the upper ranges, I aggree with you about rolling them off though, I rather like having my low end to them, with plenty of top end stuff to keep the listeners ears on it....

Mix your kick n your snare in high volume, not to high, but high enough they shine through, if you ever get the track mastered, it will be one of the easier things to work with dynamically too, usually the first thing m.e.'s wann play with, those kick snare transients.

On the 808s note though, its DAMN hard to make an 808 sit with anything on the sub octaves and not run into problems. Some things you can consider, sidechaining, obviously, and really, sidechaind 808s n subs sound tits imo... Saturation on the 808 sample, can work wonders. Stick an instance of tessla on that shit, crank to pregain and the amount, turn the post volume down... follow with tape saturation or some subtle overdrive... kinda changing the sound alot there though... Tune your 808, that helps alot, becuse there sine aves on the tails youll get phse issues with them and the subs that make them disappear, but get the tune right, you got the phase right, and theyll sort of harmonize, with will preserve a bit of power, especially in regards to mono!

None of those are the best options in the world, gonna change the sound a bit, but, youll have power.

it's reading posts like this at breakfast that makes me love this forum.

i was just thinking this while eating breakfast too

basic, where do you think i could find some of these kicks? i'm struggling to find anything that peaks at 90 hz, everything seems to be around 60 or 70. also, i can't seem to layer my kicks very successfully. the topside high passed kick just never sounds like i want it to either, i can't seem to figure out where it should peak...

When I use 808 kicks (not that it's very often) I normally just low cut at 70hz(I know, too high, I know, you don't need to tell me, I like it that way XD) then saturate the kick a bit to make it a little crisper. Seems to work *shrugs*. Sometimes you will still encounter problems though, I guess it's one of the very few instances where I might actually uses sidechain compression if I was really struggling.

EDIT: @Johnst - If you want your kicks to be peaking at a different frequency then just retune it no? Also, personally I very rarely layer my kicks because I think 90% of the time it actually isn't necessary. Unless your going for a MASSIVE brostep style kick then I wouldn't bother, rather spend the time finding a kick that already sounds just right how it is.

paravrais wrote:Also, personally I very rarely layer my kicks because I think 90% of the time it actually isn't necessary. Unless your going for a MASSIVE brostep style kick then I wouldn't bother, rather spend the time finding a kick that already sounds just right how it is.

This. You are better off getting the right sample in the first place, its not hard to do, and you dont have to worry about fucking about with envelopes and transients etc etc trying to get the samples to work together.

very good to know guys, i've been experimenting with that just because i got so frustrated trying to layer two kicks, since the "higher" one always just sounded like ass and their higher harmonics never seems to gel right. in terms of tuning the kick, i use reason so i OH FUCK i'm retarded the redrum has a pitch fucking knob that's brilliant thank you i can't believe i never thought of that one

Johnst wrote:

hasezwei wrote:

Basic A wrote:

briskisgoodforu wrote:about the issue of this in general. I find kicks lose all there power when i cut the lower frequencies. And I personally would rather not side chain to maintain booming kicks and a sub. But I dont understand how to have both at the same time. Are there just kick samples that punch in upper frequency ranges?

Yes, tons of gret samples that hit hard into the upper ranges, I aggree with you about rolling them off though, I rather like having my low end to them, with plenty of top end stuff to keep the listeners ears on it....

Mix your kick n your snare in high volume, not to high, but high enough they shine through, if you ever get the track mastered, it will be one of the easier things to work with dynamically too, usually the first thing m.e.'s wann play with, those kick snare transients.

On the 808s note though, its DAMN hard to make an 808 sit with anything on the sub octaves and not run into problems. Some things you can consider, sidechaining, obviously, and really, sidechaind 808s n subs sound tits imo... Saturation on the 808 sample, can work wonders. Stick an instance of tessla on that shit, crank to pregain and the amount, turn the post volume down... follow with tape saturation or some subtle overdrive... kinda changing the sound alot there though... Tune your 808, that helps alot, becuse there sine aves on the tails youll get phse issues with them and the subs that make them disappear, but get the tune right, you got the phase right, and theyll sort of harmonize, with will preserve a bit of power, especially in regards to mono!

None of those are the best options in the world, gonna change the sound a bit, but, youll have power.

it's reading posts like this at breakfast that makes me love this forum.

i was just thinking this while eating breakfast too

basic, where do you think i could find some of these kicks? i'm struggling to find anything that peaks at 90 hz, everything seems to be around 60 or 70. also, i can't seem to layer my kicks very successfully. the topside high passed kick just never sounds like i want it to either, i can't seem to figure out where it should peak...

I was messing around a bit with the kicks. Some positive things I discovered. 1. If you pitch a snappy kick down, the snappy part hits at a lower frequency. Then you can roll off 50hz and down and the kick maintains punch and doesn't clash as much with the sub. Or you could potentially pitch up so that what used to kicking at 50hz is now higher.

Johnst wrote:

hasezwei wrote:

Basic A wrote:

briskisgoodforu wrote:about the issue of this in general. I find kicks lose all there power when i cut the lower frequencies. And I personally would rather not side chain to maintain booming kicks and a sub. But I dont understand how to have both at the same time. Are there just kick samples that punch in upper frequency ranges?

Yes, tons of gret samples that hit hard into the upper ranges, I aggree with you about rolling them off though, I rather like having my low end to them, with plenty of top end stuff to keep the listeners ears on it....

Mix your kick n your snare in high volume, not to high, but high enough they shine through, if you ever get the track mastered, it will be one of the easier things to work with dynamically too, usually the first thing m.e.'s wann play with, those kick snare transients.

On the 808s note though, its DAMN hard to make an 808 sit with anything on the sub octaves and not run into problems. Some things you can consider, sidechaining, obviously, and really, sidechaind 808s n subs sound tits imo... Saturation on the 808 sample, can work wonders. Stick an instance of tessla on that shit, crank to pregain and the amount, turn the post volume down... follow with tape saturation or some subtle overdrive... kinda changing the sound alot there though... Tune your 808, that helps alot, becuse there sine aves on the tails youll get phse issues with them and the subs that make them disappear, but get the tune right, you got the phase right, and theyll sort of harmonize, with will preserve a bit of power, especially in regards to mono!

None of those are the best options in the world, gonna change the sound a bit, but, youll have power.

it's reading posts like this at breakfast that makes me love this forum.

i was just thinking this while eating breakfast too

basic, where do you think i could find some of these kicks? i'm struggling to find anything that peaks at 90 hz, everything seems to be around 60 or 70. also, i can't seem to layer my kicks very successfully. the topside high passed kick just never sounds like i want it to either, i can't seem to figure out where it should peak...

Hmm idk mang, I got tons of samples and Im not sure where half of them come from, but if you want I can throw you a pack together? Gimme a few Ill pop back in.

Here you go, just went through and grabbed a pile of the ones that registered in my headphones haha : http://www.mediafire.com/?4yme8m5pjo8fbpk

Read the about.

...just realized Im on the wrong account

paravrais wrote:When I use 808 kicks (not that it's very often) I normally just low cut at 70hz

If you're talking about those boomy sustained 808's, they're pretty much just a sine wave, low cutting them is going to do nothing more than decreasing their volume.

If you have a click or knock in your kick drum that you want to use over top of your low kick sound, adjust the envelope on the low kick part. Ease off the attack a bit, or not. But then compress the samples together, nothing major, just a little something to stick them together.

title : sub bass fighting sub bass


can't have 2 subs :/

mmjdw wrote:title : sub bass fighting sub bass


can't have 2 subs :/

Dont kid yourself

Aquathesis wrote:

Johnst wrote:

hasezwei wrote:

Basic A wrote:

briskisgoodforu wrote:about the issue of this in general. I find kicks lose all there power when i cut the lower frequencies. And I personally would rather not side chain to maintain booming kicks and a sub. But I dont understand how to have both at the same time. Are there just kick samples that punch in upper frequency ranges?

Yes, tons of gret samples that hit hard into the upper ranges, I aggree with you about rolling them off though, I rather like having my low end to them, with plenty of top end stuff to keep the listeners ears on it....

Mix your kick n your snare in high volume, not to high, but high enough they shine through, if you ever get the track mastered, it will be one of the easier things to work with dynamically too, usually the first thing m.e.'s wann play with, those kick snare transients.

On the 808s note though, its DAMN hard to make an 808 sit with anything on the sub octaves and not run into problems. Some things you can consider, sidechaining, obviously, and really, sidechaind 808s n subs sound tits imo... Saturation on the 808 sample, can work wonders. Stick an instance of tessla on that shit, crank to pregain and the amount, turn the post volume down... follow with tape saturation or some subtle overdrive... kinda changing the sound alot there though... Tune your 808, that helps alot, becuse there sine aves on the tails youll get phse issues with them and the subs that make them disappear, but get the tune right, you got the phase right, and theyll sort of harmonize, with will preserve a bit of power, especially in regards to mono!

None of those are the best options in the world, gonna change the sound a bit, but, youll have power.

it's reading posts like this at breakfast that makes me love this forum.

i was just thinking this while eating breakfast too

basic, where do you think i could find some of these kicks? i'm struggling to find anything that peaks at 90 hz, everything seems to be around 60 or 70. also, i can't seem to layer my kicks very successfully. the topside high passed kick just never sounds like i want it to either, i can't seem to figure out where it should peak...

Hmm idk mang, I got tons of samples and Im not sure where half of them come from, but if you want I can throw you a pack together? Gimme a few Ill pop back in.

Here you go, just went through and grabbed a pile of the ones that registered in my headphones haha : http://www.mediafire.com/?4yme8m5pjo8fbpk

Read the about.

...just realized Im on the wrong account

hahaha which account are you supposed to be on? cheers for the samples! i'll give them a go when i'm done with my test tomorrow.

EDIT: oh shit, why herro basic thanks again dude, and no, i won't sue you...

No problem man, me samples es you samples, or somethin like that.

Basic A wrote:No problem man, me samples es you samples, or somethin like that.