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This is my first post so I'll try and make it interesting, I've done a bit of snooping around the site and found a lot of cool advice on sampling and resampling. After messing with it for a few weeks I've noticed that if you apply different techniques early on (ie flanging before distortion leads to a cool sound, or distortion before flanging creates a much more distorted sound) you'll get radically different sounds. So my question is, what order do you guys apply effects in and to which frequency bands do you apply these effects to get cool/unique/filthy sounds. Obviously no right answer but it seems interesting

no rules ,use your ears and learn to trust them

virks wrote:no rules ,use your ears and learn to trust them

Like I said, this isn't to find a particular sound, I'm just curious what sounds people get using their own methods and order since everyone approaches it different

Depends on the sound I'm after at that particular time.

Make a 4 bar bassline wobble, automate some parameters. In FL just right click on a few knobs and hit create auto clip. Then draw automations in playlist mode. Dont kill the high freq content with your filter automations too much as you want have something to work with later. stretch.

Export wav, split in to Low, mid and High freq channels. You can use some sort of harmonic exciter on the whole track. x-cita is not bad.
use sanford bass tightener on low, set it to mono and lowpass to about 220 hz. 10 pushups.

mid channel from 220 hz to 1800. put cyanide2 and automate the output freq to taste, dont overuse it. slight flange or chorus. check the weather for tommorow.

highs from 1800 to infinity. slight distortion. short delay or reverb. automate it so that its only on when you bassline hits the secret sweet spot frequency. (2357)

output all channels to one track and put parametric eq on it. compress. do sweeps on the parametric eq. put peak controller on the mid and set it so that when the mids get to a certain level, one freq band on the parametric is lowered. Watch Twin Peaks and think about Dale Cooper. Get yourself a damn fine cup of coffee.

bubblypatrick wrote:This is my first post so I'll try and make it interesting, I've done a bit of snooping around the site and found a lot of cool advice on sampling and resampling. After messing with it for a few weeks I've noticed that if you apply different techniques early on (ie flanging before distortion leads to a cool sound, or distortion before flanging creates a much more distorted sound) you'll get radically different sounds. So my question is, what order do you guys apply effects in and to which frequency bands do you apply these effects to get cool/unique/filthy sounds. Obviously no right answer but it seems interesting

what DAW/synth are you using? because heres how id do it in logic/massive. it doesnt really matter what synth to be honest.

1- open up your synth... which ever one you like and just write a simple bassline (simple, i said simple.) with what ever default oscillator it has.

2 - once you have it written than do shit with the sounds. load up your doctor p sound that you saw how to make on youtube. bounce it in place (record it to an audio track.). just make sure to keep the original.

3 - than go to the original midi track, ***8alter the LFO, FM, what ever the fuck you want to change.*** bounce in place (record to audio track).

***than repeat step 3 until you have 20 audio tracks of your bass line, each of them slightly or immensely different.

than chop them up, piece them together until you get what you want. and remember, there is no real skill to this, its all luck.

what DAW/synth are you using? because heres how id do it in logic/massive.

Ableton 8
various synths

bubblypatrick wrote:

what DAW/synth are you using? because heres how id do it in logic/massive.

Ableton 8
various synths

okay, do everything i said but instead of bounce in place do this..

command/apple T for new audio track. select the IN button under the I/O menu thing. where is says 'ext. in' (which is default), change it to 'resample.'

record your basslines, drums and anything you want a million times. chop it up, etc. add enough effects to blow your mind, record/resample, and add even more effects. repeat and relapse. its a limitless technique.

one way i do things in logic is i start writing my synths in midi. once i know i like how it sounds and such i will then bounce to audio and then from their add effects. another way i do this is by recording the wobble for 4 bars and then put it in your sampler and do anything you want to it.
just a little of what i do but in ableton idk how it would be but it might be similar

bubblypatrick wrote:Ableton 8
various synths

I also use Ableton aswell so i'll tell you what I usually do when I resample...

I'll put my exported bassline into my sequencer on a new audio track, I don't use samplers this is just how I'm used to working, load up an effects rack with 2 or 3 chains on it. On each chain I will have a filter which I map to a macro so I can control multiple parametres with one twist of a dial. Each chain will have different modulation and distortions on it, I then go to town with automating and fading between the chains so the different tones and movements twist into each other creating some more movement and crazy modulation. I usually pitch and reverse stuff too then export and do the same again. "Save As" each time so you can back track and keep going until your happy with the results, you don't always have to resample countless times, sometimes I just do it to put a finishing touch to a sound, depends how far you wan't to take it, hope that has helped.

Click on the logo in my sig to hear an example, more to come soon too!

Well I'm not much of a sampling pro, but I just create my line in whatever synth, then apply it to the mixer ( I use FL), make three outputs and apply effects to that. I don't know what you mean when you say the order of applying effects, but I am curious.

Eridu wrote:Make a 4 bar bassline wobble, automate some parameters. In FL just right click on a few knobs and hit create auto clip. Then draw automations in playlist mode. Dont kill the high freq content with your filter automations too much as you want have something to work with later. stretch.

Export wav, split in to Low, mid and High freq channels. You can use some sort of harmonic exciter on the whole track. x-cita is not bad.
use sanford bass tightener on low, set it to mono and lowpass to about 220 hz. 10 pushups.

mid channel from 220 hz to 1800. put cyanide2 and automate the output freq to taste, dont overuse it. slight flange or chorus. check the weather for tommorow.

highs from 1800 to infinity. slight distortion. short delay or reverb. automate it so that its only on when you bassline hits the secret sweet spot frequency. (2357)

output all channels to one track and put parametric eq on it. compress. do sweeps on the parametric eq. put peak controller on the mid and set it so that when the mids get to a certain level, one freq band on the parametric is lowered. Watch Twin Peaks and think about Dale Cooper. Get yourself a damn fine cup of coffee.

This is the clearest advice given on the subject. Eridu should get more credit. -Excess Depth

I was wondering. Whenever I have resampled my basslines, how do I get them to play in the right key, if I decide to use them for later?

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DubMikey wrote:I was wondering. Whenever I have resampled my basslines, how do I get them to play in the right key, if I decide to use them for later?

Export an entire octave?

ehbrums1 wrote:

DubMikey wrote:I was wondering. Whenever I have resampled my basslines, how do I get them to play in the right key, if I decide to use them for later?

Export an entire octave?

Good point. I got massive space problems though.

Pick up an eternal hard drive there pretty cheap considering how much space you can get

DubMikey wrote:

ehbrums1 wrote:

DubMikey wrote:I was wondering. Whenever I have resampled my basslines, how do I get them to play in the right key, if I decide to use them for later?

Export an entire octave?

Good point. I got massive space problems though.

Throw it in a sampler. Record a few lines at various modes in the scale.