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Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:07 pm
by Fused Productions
Hello lads!
I've been checking the forum for a while and finally decided to join you guys!
So I've been trying to make some dubstep using reason and I have got some suprisingly good results (for a beginner).
But there is something I need help with: I'm desperatly trying to produce a bass similar to the one used in Trolley Snatchas tune Scattah, I've been looking for threads on it but never found one so I decided to sign and make on myself.
It sounds kinda aggressive, with short notes and it starts at about 0:27

Another example could be the tune Kickstarts by Bar 9, but I like the Trolley Snatcha one better.
In this it starts at about 0:42.


And I have another question too. I'm about to get a DJ-set, on a very limited budget. Im talking most likely under/around 350 €, should I start by getting a couple of cheap cdjs and a mixer?

Thanks for any replies. :)

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:32 pm
by oprs
open up ye torrented version of massive
first osc PWM -17
filter one scream
lfo to cut off nd resonance
phase mod on first osc

some reverb and dimension expander

its close. but i have no effects on it right now.
so give that a try

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:51 pm
by Fused Productions
Thanks for such a quick response! I gave it a try and it sounded pretty nice actually :) I will get back to it later to make it sound even better but that was actually a great start and it took just 5 minutes! Thanks alot :)

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:53 pm
by oprs
no problem. made that last night and knew it would come of some good

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:57 pm
by Fused Productions
Haha cool!
While your over here, do you have any sugestions on the DJ-set question?

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 9:59 pm
by oprs
well your biggest reply will be getting a second hand pair of technic 1200's or 1210s
ive never personally used them but thats what you should shoot for.

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:05 pm
by Fused Productions
Roger, is there really any difference between CDJ's and actuall turntables? I mean is it easier to learn with a couple of CDJ's or real vinyl turntables?

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:07 pm
by oprs
nothing beats the feel of working on an actual turntable.
but its all preference mate. you should find someone who has some and give it a go for yourself

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:15 pm
by Fused Productions
Yeah I've never tried Dj'ing and noone around here does it either. I could probably rent a deck though, I will look it up.. I think it's a lot cooler though when you see some hardcore DJ flippin' vinyls than storing the tracks in a computer. I'd rather be a cool vinylflipper if you go by how it looks ;)
Thanks alot for your help man, we'll probably hear more from eachother on here.

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Sun Mar 27, 2011 10:51 pm
by GRAYSKALE
Don't forget that the bassline is modulated with a sawtooth LFO rather than a sine.

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 7:05 am
by jrisreal
When I saw the title of this thread, my thoughts turned to Skrillex and was about to tell you that "NOBODY KNOWS" :cornlol:
oprs wrote:open up ye torrented version of massive
how could he have a torrented massive if he has been "using reason????"
GRAYSKALE wrote:Don't forget that the bassline is modulated with a sawtooth LFO rather than a sine.
Sine? Who uses Sine??? Triangle is where its at! Makes much better wobble.

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 10:27 am
by RandoRando
jrisreal wrote: how could he have a torrented massive if he has been "using reason????"
.
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op said he was going to try it o_0

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:04 pm
by Fused Productions
jrisreal wrote:When I saw the title of this thread, my thoughts turned to Skrillex and was about to tell you that "NOBODY KNOWS" :cornlol:
Haha, I don't really like that bass, but it's kinda cool that he came up with a way to make his music and noone figuring out how!
jrisreal wrote:how could he have a torrented massive if he has been "using reason????"
I actually have a copy of Massive, but I've never really bothered to try it out since I'd like to learn the built in Synthesizers in Reason before I start using external VSTi's!
GRAYSKALE wrote:Don't forget that the bassline is modulated with a sawtooth LFO rather than a sine.
Uhm yeah, I did use the sawtooth LFO from the start but thank you for pointing it out!

But ontopic now: Will it ruin the sound if I put another Oscillator into it? Or maybe even a Filter?

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 3:07 pm
by -[2]DAY_-
much easier to click on the synth and find out than to wait for someone to answer that ^

no?

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:08 pm
by Fused Productions
I'm not at home right now so I can't really try it but I get your point of view though..

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 4:31 pm
by Basic A
For 350, yes, a cheap set of CDJs and a mixer will suit you. Id look into the bottom end of denon CDJ line or the top end of the numark, by the time you get in that range with CDJs play lag and stuff is insignifigant... Try to put as large a portion of your budget into the mixer as you can, CDJ's with their minimal moving parts break alot less easily then the faders on cheap mixers do.

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:26 pm
by Fused Productions
Aw nice, it feels like I'd have to be spending alot more money if it was the CDJ's that would break easier :)
So if I get http://www.thomann.de/se/numark_ndx_200.htm x2 and a http://www.thomann.de/se/numark_m_2.htm, I'd have a reasonable setup for a beginner?

Re: Trolley Snatcha- Scatta bass, help please!

Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 9:30 pm
by netrik
Might not be how this bass was made but try making some wobble (with any type lfo wave) then putting a arpeggiator on it so it repeats the wobble really fast. Then just mess around with the wobble speed and the arp rate and gate. Works excellent for these type bass's imo.