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Well, I noticed that a setback of mine with dubstep is my drums, they always seem weak, and I can't seem to make a nice dubstep shuffle. I saw EZDrummer and I wanna look into that, but I was wondering how Bare Noize gets that real heavy drum sound. His hats are very accented, and I just don't see how you could take a sample and automate it to the tits to change the volume of each hit. Any help would be great

Skratch wrote:and I just don't see how you could take a sample and automate it to the tits to change the volume of each hit. Any help would be great

Actually this is very simple. You just automate the volume of each hit, there is no easier way to do that. You go in there, and start setting the volume by hand, on each hat.
Another way would be to play it by hand and hook up the midi controller's velocity with the sample's velocity. A third way, which I do not advise to use for this kind of thing, would be to set the velocity of the hits to random.

Skratch wrote:Well, I noticed that a setback of mine with dubstep is my drums, they always seem weak, and I can't seem to make a nice dubstep shuffle. I saw EZDrummer and I wanna look into that, but I was wondering how Bare Noize gets that real heavy drum sound. His hats are very accented, and I just don't see how you could take a sample and automate it to the tits to change the volume of each hit. Any help would be great

You got an example of a tune you're talking about, that you could post the YouTube video for?

Yeah I'm interested to hear an example as well.

His stuff is such a varying style so I think an example is needed.

Sorry guys, I'm talking about the hats right at the beginning of Scatta it's just that the hats sound so.... NOT automated!

think he could have sampled an actual drummer playing on a kit? that's what it sounds like to me..

Yeah that's what I was thinking. But would he really do that with almost all of his songs?

he probably just automated the velocity of the hits to get that shuffle

Mike145 wrote:he probably just automated the velocity of the hits to get that shuffle

yes...in piano roll, theres usually a velocity setting you can change for each hit.

oh and you can change the quantizing to triplets which is nice for a shuffle feel too... or if your feeling really crazy... unquantized! O.o
I think programming realistic drums can be pretty difficult sometimes though. Im style trying to make a drum roll for this one song im doing and im having some trouble with that. i know i could just sample one, but i wanna learn how to program it :3

jrisreal wrote:

Mike145 wrote:he probably just automated the velocity of the hits to get that shuffle

yes...in piano roll, theres usually a velocity setting you can change for each hit.

yes put it in a sampler and you can change the velocities

or take the hats from a break and you get real sounding drums, cos they are real.... i usually layer them with some clean drum machiney sort of samples for some extra sheen and solidity

bare noize's drums are epic;

One plugin.

XLN Addictive Drums. Sounds like the real thing, got it off some heavy metal mates that use it for drum replacement on thier something-core tracks. Add saturation and you have instant crisp high quality live drums. I havent uploaded anything I ve used it on yet, cos I only got it las week, but look it up

Yeah that's what I was thinking. But would he really do that with almost all of his songs?

Actually yes. They're a duo. One happens to be a drummer and a sound engineer. Guys know their shit =]

check this vid... explains how to use an LFO to give hi hats a humanized feel.

Bare Noize are 2 people bit cheeky really, they both play out separately so they can do double the gigs . In relation couldn't EQ do some of problems, like more mids for a punchy snare, also editing the ADSR

also you could load a groove template for yer drums...with swing - shuffled - all kindof velocities...

Easy as velocity automation, really.

Skratch wrote:Well, I noticed that a setback of mine with dubstep is my drums, they always seem weak, and I can't seem to make a nice dubstep shuffle. I saw EZDrummer and I wanna look into that, but I was wondering how Bare Noize gets that real heavy drum sound. His hats are very accented, and I just don't see how you could take a sample and automate it to the tits to change the volume of each hit. Any help would be great

Yo I'm from philly to yo. But as far as the drums. Good samples, good Eqing, swing and shuffle, velocity changes from hit to hit, proper reverb, compression,etc. You should know this stuff before you ever load a DAW. It's music. I wonder if they use NYstyle compression for the fatness?

Mike145 wrote:... or if your feeling really crazy... unquantized!

Actually, not quantizing hats and other hi-end hits isn't that crazy. In fact, I usually play them by hand without quantization, while I keep the low-end and mid-hits quantized. That way you have a solid rhythm, but nice groove over it. Another way to give your drums some groove is to mess with the middle hits (snares/claps/etc) so some layers aren't EXACTLY on time. For example, I might have a snare perfectly on the 3rd beat, but have a snap a few milliseconds before and a clap with some short reverb a few milliseconds after. It's all about experimenting and having fun with it! Hope this helped in some way!