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Resampling more in depth
Posted: Wed Apr 13, 2011 11:52 pm
by Johnw1415
I have been making music for about 3 months now, and really want to learn how to make that crazy wide sound that Skrillex/Datsik and blah blah blah use. I dont want you to say that there are thousands of things that cover this, becuase I have been trying to learn some methodology behind it all for about a week now. there are really only a handful of youtube tutorials on how to do it, and they really dont give enough info on how to set out for the sound, achieve it, and use it. Im not trying to be a troll, but i know there are people on this forum that could show an example. im looking for a sound like between 0:13 and 0:18 in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0MIxoM_o_8. And what really bothers me about this forum is, i cant ever sift through anything because it is just one comment after another ragging on people, and its hard to find threads of use. Im getting on this forum becuase i feel that youtube tutorials just arent cutting it for me anymore. Plz dont hate. Im just trying to gain as much knowlege as I can, im not trying to become one of them, but as they say imitation leads to inovation.
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 12:42 am
by jrisreal
i understand your mindset about wanting to get sick sounds like them pros do. and your probly not gona like this response.
but anyway, nobody knows how to get these sounds other than the original artist themselves. there is alot of resampling and processing that these sounds go through. But if you are wanting stereo wideness, chorus'll give you that stuff or in massive i think theres some thing called a dimensional expander...i dont like massive
Just experiment with synths and editing sounds a lot and you will eventually be the one that people will constantly be posting "how to i made Johnw1415 bass?!!" posts and continuing to annoy the people of DSF.
and resampling is just something people do to save cpu so that they can further process their sounds without freezing up. theres also other reasons one may want to resample, but that is the most mentioned purpose.
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 2:52 am
by Mannyyyyy
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 3:10 am
by Ldizzy
TROLLLLLLLIDGE
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:18 am
by Johnw1415
I guess i am just now realizing that, im pretty sure people like skrillex dont even fully know what their going to come up with when they sit down and produce, the whole resampling thing is like hit or miss in my opinion. Im not even gunna check out the above post yet, cuz im about to go to bed, although it looks very helpful.. here is the song i made today, i think i got a sound thats pretty good. took about 6 hours to put this together haha
Soundcloud
let me know what you guys think/should do differently/improve upon
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 7:36 am
by wub
My work here is done
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:33 am
by Karoshi
TBH i dont think there is a clear 100% way of doing it, its all about experimentation.
The way i got some sounds in the track below is i made a patch in massive that i quite liked, played a note, recorded it and imported it back in (using edison, im an FL studio user) then i added a couple more effects and recorded it again in edison. then i manually re arranged parts of it (expecially after the second drop) and then imported it again. i did this for about 12 bass lines, thats where the variation comes in. all this and its not even a half decent bass line! haha.
but yeah, theres no clear cut technique, its all about experimentation IMO!
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:41 am
by wub
Johnw1415 wrote:I have been making music for about 3 months now, and really want to learn how to make that crazy wide sound that Skrillex/Datsik and blah blah blah use. I dont want you to say that there are thousands of things that cover this, becuase I have been trying to learn some methodology behind it all for about a week now. there are really only a handful of youtube tutorials on how to do it, and they really dont give enough info on how to set out for the sound, achieve it, and use it. Im not trying to be a troll, but i know there are people on this forum that could show an example. im looking for a sound like between 0:13 and 0:18 in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0MIxoM_o_8. And what really bothers me about this forum is, i cant ever sift through anything because it is just one comment after another ragging on people, and its hard to find threads of use. Im getting on this forum becuase i feel that youtube tutorials just arent cutting it for me anymore. Plz dont hate. Im just trying to gain as much knowlege as I can, im not trying to become one of them, but as they say imitation leads to inovation.
This is a rough beginner guide I did last week that might help.
wub wrote:Resampling, in a nutshell, is taking a sound and processing the fuck out of it. Then taking that processed sound, loading it back into your DAW and then fucking with it more, so eventually you're ending up with a unique sound that couldn't have ben generated from the original source.
In FL, for example, say you take a bass note generated by 3xOsc. If you route the sound into a mixer channel (i.e 1), then you can make the sound split across into 3 more channels by clicking on the arrow below each of the 3. So you'd have the sound coming into channel 1, and playing out on channels 2, 3 & 4.
This would make quite a noise as it's effectively the same noise three times, so each of channels 2, 3 & 4, you put a Multiband compressor and split the frequencies so 2, 3 & 4 become low, mid & high (
this video explains it better than I can here for the fine details).
You'll now be able to manipulate each of the individual frequency bands seperately, with their own mixer channel. Try putting some reverb on the mid, flange on the highs (the Moving Distortion preset on Fruity Flanger is a good starting point), just play around making different sound and effects chains.
Put a copy of Edison on the Master and record a few notes out onto it. Then take the notes you've just recorded, and save them somewhere. Change the 3xOsc generator to a Sampler, but don't change any of the routing in the mixer. Then load the recorded notes into the sampler and repeat the whole process again.
You'll be gradually changing the sound each time you do this. Some times (and believe me, this will happen a fair bit when you're first starting), it might sound like utter wank after one or two run throughs. But practise with it, see what works and what doesn't. Eventually you'll start finding ways to make sounds that are unique, and sound good. Again, record all of these with Edison and you're build up a sound library of noises that are yours and no one elses.
Take a look at this thread collection. Lot of resources, but it should give you an idea of different things -
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p2206342
Read everything, watch everything, practise everything.
EDIT - Once you've got the routing setup so that it works, it's worth saving the project file as a template (Save As > Templates subfolder > create folder Resampling > Resampling.flp) so that you can load it up straight away without going through the above.
Does rely on you using FL though I'm afraid.
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Thu Apr 14, 2011 10:53 am
by thor_beatz
wub wrote:Johnw1415 wrote:I have been making music for about 3 months now, and really want to learn how to make that crazy wide sound that Skrillex/Datsik and blah blah blah use. I dont want you to say that there are thousands of things that cover this, becuase I have been trying to learn some methodology behind it all for about a week now. there are really only a handful of youtube tutorials on how to do it, and they really dont give enough info on how to set out for the sound, achieve it, and use it. Im not trying to be a troll, but i know there are people on this forum that could show an example. im looking for a sound like between 0:13 and 0:18 in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0MIxoM_o_8. And what really bothers me about this forum is, i cant ever sift through anything because it is just one comment after another ragging on people, and its hard to find threads of use. Im getting on this forum becuase i feel that youtube tutorials just arent cutting it for me anymore. Plz dont hate. Im just trying to gain as much knowlege as I can, im not trying to become one of them, but as they say imitation leads to inovation.
This is a rough beginner guide I did last week that might help.
wub wrote:Resampling, in a nutshell, is taking a sound and processing the fuck out of it. Then taking that processed sound, loading it back into your DAW and then fucking with it more, so eventually you're ending up with a unique sound that couldn't have ben generated from the original source.
In FL, for example, say you take a bass note generated by 3xOsc. If you route the sound into a mixer channel (i.e 1), then you can make the sound split across into 3 more channels by clicking on the arrow below each of the 3. So you'd have the sound coming into channel 1, and playing out on channels 2, 3 & 4.
This would make quite a noise as it's effectively the same noise three times, so each of channels 2, 3 & 4, you put a Multiband compressor and split the frequencies so 2, 3 & 4 become low, mid & high (
this video explains it better than I can here for the fine details).
You'll now be able to manipulate each of the individual frequency bands seperately, with their own mixer channel. Try putting some reverb on the mid, flange on the highs (the Moving Distortion preset on Fruity Flanger is a good starting point), just play around making different sound and effects chains.
Put a copy of Edison on the Master and record a few notes out onto it. Then take the notes you've just recorded, and save them somewhere. Change the 3xOsc generator to a Sampler, but don't change any of the routing in the mixer. Then load the recorded notes into the sampler and repeat the whole process again.
You'll be gradually changing the sound each time you do this. Some times (and believe me, this will happen a fair bit when you're first starting), it might sound like utter wank after one or two run throughs. But practise with it, see what works and what doesn't. Eventually you'll start finding ways to make sounds that are unique, and sound good. Again, record all of these with Edison and you're build up a sound library of noises that are yours and no one elses.
Take a look at this thread collection. Lot of resources, but it should give you an idea of different things -
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p2206342
Read everything, watch everything, practise everything.
EDIT - Once you've got the routing setup so that it works, it's worth saving the project file as a template (Save As > Templates subfolder > create folder Resampling > Resampling.flp) so that you can load it up straight away without going through the above.
Does rely on you using FL though I'm afraid.
Here's one for Ableton (splitting to 3 out on 1 channel)
http://durkkooistra.com/2011/03/24/spli ... eton-live/
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:01 pm
by Ldizzy
i think people try to find perfect techniques and stuff but still overlook the most important part of it... spend time doin shit...
spend like an entire evening experimenting..
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 4:43 pm
by Crow Steppa
hey mate, listened to your WIP yesterday. Good stuff. I'm new to producing also but I find the best thing you can do is just practice. I've learned more from just sitting down and playing with shit than anything else. And the best thing I can say is to just make your own style. It'll come to you the more you practice. As for resampling, it's good to know how to do, but get your basic sounds down first. Beats are the foundation so work on drum patterns and layering kicks and adding reverb to snares and things like that until you can make a sick beat. From there, work on your synths (I prefer Massive and FM8), making the wobble effect and leads and sounds that you like. After that, work on remsampling, and mixing down the whole track.
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:34 pm
by flatfaced
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Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 8:48 pm
by valaB
Say I have an explosion sound I want to completely change. What is the benefit of adding an effect, then resampling, adding effect, then resampling , etc...as opposed to just adding all the effects first, then resampling?
Thanks Durkooistra for the great tutorial on splitting freq in ableton much appreciated
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Fri Apr 15, 2011 11:21 pm
by thor_beatz
valaB wrote:Say I have an explosion sound I want to completely change. What is the benefit of adding an effect, then resampling, adding effect, then resampling , etc...as opposed to just adding all the effects first, then resampling?
Thanks Durkooistra for the great tutorial on splitting freq in ableton much appreciated
cheers!
There is no problem with adding fx before resampling - resampling is just using bounced audio as far as i;m concerned. There is however a difference in sound when you have a different fx chain. Even the fact if distortion for example is routed after of before a EQ. Here's some vid's i made about resampling.
http://durkkooistra.com/2011/02/28/bass ... ue-part-1/
http://durkkooistra.com/2011/03/04/bass ... tomations/
http://durkkooistra.com/2011/03/23/bass ... ng-part-3/
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 12:39 am
by valaB
Thanks man
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Sat Apr 16, 2011 6:02 am
by REAP3RMusic
Okay i'll simplify it for you brother. Resampling is just the process of adding effects to a sound you make, bouncing that sound out as a wav file, importing that wav file back in to your DAW as a sample and then adding more effects to it. There's all kinds of other shit you can do to your sounds but the core sound is made in massive. As previously stated, the dimension expander effect in massive is what gives the sound its width. The processing gives the sound definition. Here's a little step by step.
1 - Create a few sounds in massive all using dimension expander. Lets say 10 sounds.
2 - Choose 2 or 3 from that 10 and save the patches. Now you have Sound A, Sound B and Sound C.
3 - Write your bassline out in piano roll using sound A. Change the patch to sound B and play that same bassline through sound B. If it sounds good, proceed to step 4.
4 - Load sound A back up with the bassline playing on loop.
5 - Start to add effects in the mixer channel for that sound like distortion, subtle flangers & reverb and possibly a bit crusher.*
6 - Record the resulting sound as a WAV file and import it back into the track as a sample. Repeat step 5 as is necessary.
7 - Repeat steps 4 - 6 for sounds b & c in different mixer channels.
8 - Chop up your bass line with each sound and add LFO's to each sound and throw them together.
*This is all subject to your own experimentation. Keep adding different effects until you make a sound you want.
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Sun Apr 17, 2011 9:56 pm
by zonetrooper5
Bookmarking.
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 6:46 pm
by raige
zonetrooper5 wrote:Bookmarking.
Seconded.
it's funny because I was in the same position the OP was in not that long ago. desperately trying to figure out what the hell resampling is and how to do it etc. after a while I just gave up and went back to my old method and after I finished up the basics of my mortal kombat track I'm working I decided to experiment a bit and see if I can improve the overall sound of the song. all I did was just bounce my basslines in place (I use Logic) and added effects. I eq'd the low end out because I only have Express not pro so I don't have the built-in multiband compresser so the highs and mids may be a bit muddy, but I found out it's pretty much the basics of resampling. next step is to eq each band and add effects to each individual band.
as much as it may pain you to read this it is the truth. the only way you can TRULY figure out how to do a technique/style is to just experiment and play around. it takes a crap-ton of time, but I'd say it's the best way to find something out.
awesome thread btw. warms my heart to see a thread like this actually get helpful tips and answers
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Mon Apr 18, 2011 7:03 pm
by Sine69
thor_beatz wrote:wub wrote:Johnw1415 wrote:I have been making music for about 3 months now, and really want to learn how to make that crazy wide sound that Skrillex/Datsik and blah blah blah use. I dont want you to say that there are thousands of things that cover this, becuase I have been trying to learn some methodology behind it all for about a week now. there are really only a handful of youtube tutorials on how to do it, and they really dont give enough info on how to set out for the sound, achieve it, and use it. Im not trying to be a troll, but i know there are people on this forum that could show an example. im looking for a sound like between 0:13 and 0:18 in this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0MIxoM_o_8. And what really bothers me about this forum is, i cant ever sift through anything because it is just one comment after another ragging on people, and its hard to find threads of use. Im getting on this forum becuase i feel that youtube tutorials just arent cutting it for me anymore. Plz dont hate. Im just trying to gain as much knowlege as I can, im not trying to become one of them, but as they say imitation leads to inovation.
This is a rough beginner guide I did last week that might help.
wub wrote:Resampling, in a nutshell, is taking a sound and processing the fuck out of it. Then taking that processed sound, loading it back into your DAW and then fucking with it more, so eventually you're ending up with a unique sound that couldn't have ben generated from the original source.
In FL, for example, say you take a bass note generated by 3xOsc. If you route the sound into a mixer channel (i.e 1), then you can make the sound split across into 3 more channels by clicking on the arrow below each of the 3. So you'd have the sound coming into channel 1, and playing out on channels 2, 3 & 4.
This would make quite a noise as it's effectively the same noise three times, so each of channels 2, 3 & 4, you put a Multiband compressor and split the frequencies so 2, 3 & 4 become low, mid & high (
this video explains it better than I can here for the fine details).
You'll now be able to manipulate each of the individual frequency bands seperately, with their own mixer channel. Try putting some reverb on the mid, flange on the highs (the Moving Distortion preset on Fruity Flanger is a good starting point), just play around making different sound and effects chains.
Put a copy of Edison on the Master and record a few notes out onto it. Then take the notes you've just recorded, and save them somewhere. Change the 3xOsc generator to a Sampler, but don't change any of the routing in the mixer. Then load the recorded notes into the sampler and repeat the whole process again.
You'll be gradually changing the sound each time you do this. Some times (and believe me, this will happen a fair bit when you're first starting), it might sound like utter wank after one or two run throughs. But practise with it, see what works and what doesn't. Eventually you'll start finding ways to make sounds that are unique, and sound good. Again, record all of these with Edison and you're build up a sound library of noises that are yours and no one elses.
Take a look at this thread collection. Lot of resources, but it should give you an idea of different things -
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.p ... 4#p2206342
Read everything, watch everything, practise everything.
EDIT - Once you've got the routing setup so that it works, it's worth saving the project file as a template (Save As > Templates subfolder > create folder Resampling > Resampling.flp) so that you can load it up straight away without going through the above.
Does rely on you using FL though I'm afraid.
Here's one for Ableton (splitting to 3 out on 1 channel)
http://durkkooistra.com/2011/03/24/spli ... eton-live/
Instead of splitting the frequencies using an EQ, wouldn't it be easier just to use multiband dynamics? I'm pretty new at this, but that's what I've been using when I want to split frequencies, and it works like a charm
Re: Resampling more in depth
Posted: Tue Apr 19, 2011 5:48 am
by Ldizzy
common method yes
