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Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:09 pm
by L7Dubstep
I've been making dubstep for a few months now and the biggest complication I run into is channel quality loss. I use FL Studio 9 and NI's Massive for my synths. Whenever I start building up more channels it seems that others get quieter. This happens especially when working with bass, as I'm basically given a choice to either lower the volume on my synths and instruments and raise the bass volume or vice versa.

So I am wondering, is if FL Studio that has this issue? I was planning on switching over to Ableton soon anyways... I'm just tired of trying to equally establish a standard for my bass, synths, and drums without losing volume and sound quality in any of them. Anyone else have this issue?

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 5:30 pm
by ComfiStile
This is a very fundamental part of music production. It's called mixing. Look it up.

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:00 pm
by ctang
you need to EQ all your sounds, you are experiencing frequency clashing.

http://www.dak.com/reviews/tutorial_frequencies.cfm

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:38 pm
by ToxicBass
You need to learn how to mix, you'll encounter exactly the same problem whatever DAW you use.
You do this by lowering the volume of all your elements so your master peaks between -3 and -6db ie drums at -10 db, Sub bass at -12db...and remvoving clashing frequencies in instruments.
Read this thread.
http://www.dubstepforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=74832

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 6:48 pm
by nowaysj
This is not a clashing frequencies problem. This is a limiter on the master problem, and you didn't read the stickied moneyshot thread problem.

There are differences between the daws but no daw will be able to compensate for outright ignorance, so quit dissing fruity, and get to learning some level one production knowledge.

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:16 pm
by zerbaman
You need to turn down your entire mix by the sounds of it. And I presume you mean your WOBWOBWOBs when you say "bass"? If so, it's about time you met Reductive EQ.
nowaysj wrote:There are differences between the daws but no daw will be able to compensate for outright ignorance, so quit dissing fruity, and get to learning some level one production knowledge.
Why's everyone gotta get so damn emotional bout these things. I bet you would've thought the same thing as a new producer in that situation lol

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:41 pm
by nowaysj
I would have, and I wish someone that knew a little bit more than me could have set me straight, but there was no internet when I started making music, so shut the fuck up.


:lol:

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:50 pm
by Frodo Bassbins
nowaysj wrote:This is not a clashing frequencies problem. This is a limiter on the master problem, and you didn't read the stickied moneyshot thread problem.

There are differences between the daws but no daw will be able to compensate for outright ignorance, so quit dissing fruity, and get to learning some level one production knowledge.
damn bro almost couldnt see you way up there

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 7:54 pm
by nowaysj
Funny cause I can see you down there.

Image

:lol:

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:00 pm
by ToxicBass
Just in case you forget with altitude sickness :6:

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Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 8:45 pm
by zerbaman
I think the pyramid is underrated on that graph, what tools would Ancient Egyptians have had to build that with?!?!


Ancient Aliens.

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Tue Jun 07, 2011 9:51 pm
by nowaysj
Though they were not slaves, the pyramid builders led a life of hard labor, said Adel Okasha, supervisor of the excavation. Their skeletons have signs of arthritis, and their lower vertebrae point to a life passed in difficulty, he said.

"Their bones tell us the story of how hard they worked," Okasha said.

Wildung said the find reinforces the notion that the pyramid builders were free men, ordinary citizens

"But let's not exaggerate here, they lived a short life and tomography skeletal studies show they suffered from bad health, very much likely because of how hard their work was."
Now get back to work.

:wwf:

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 1:38 am
by RandoRando
zerbaman wrote:I think the pyramid is underrated on that graph, what tools would Ancient Egyptians have had to build that with?!?!


Ancient Aliens.
Its already been proved that aliens helped them.

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 2:08 am
by kaiori breathe
RandoRando wrote:
zerbaman wrote:I think the pyramid is underrated on that graph, what tools would Ancient Egyptians have had to build that with?!?!


Ancient Aliens.
Its already been proved that aliens helped them.
For every time the phrase 'ancient aliens' is used on DSF I will kill one panda.

So I guess what this really boils down to is the question:

What weight of dead panda can your conscience carry?

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:34 am
by Skrew
FL has a bad rep for it's mixing capabilities and runs on a horrible engine. I always made my track, split it, then mixed in Pro-Tools or AA3.

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 5:55 am
by RandoRando
Skrew wrote:FL has a bad rep for it's mixing capabilities and runs on a horrible engine. I always made my track, split it, then mixed in Pro-Tools or AA3.
:cornlol: Does Timbaland collab with you in pro tools?

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:19 am
by nowaysj
Young producers like L7Dubstep hear that ^ crap and they believe it, when they encounter difficulties, as you will on a daily basis when producing, and they blame the difficulty on their daw, rather than on their own (lack of) knowledge and abilities.

There are differences in daw's engines but the differences are miniscule. Logic for example is a dirty bird. The differences are so small as to be insignificant. But workflow is huge. Daws are different. They have different strengths and weaknesses. But L7Dubstep is not encountering a weakness in fl's workflow. L7Dubstep is encountering a lack of knowledge that he is hopefully correcting by reading the money shot, and flstudio thread.

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 7:52 am
by Skrew
RandoRando wrote:
Skrew wrote:FL has a bad rep for it's mixing capabilities and runs on a horrible engine. I always made my track, split it, then mixed in Pro-Tools or AA3.
:cornlol: Does Timbaland collab with you in pro tools?
Well it's true. From experience in computer programming school, it is easy to tell that FL's engine was poorly programmed. You're almost required to buy an audio interface if you want to use. It's not even worth it's price.

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:12 am
by RandoRando
Skrew wrote:
RandoRando wrote:
Skrew wrote:FL has a bad rep for it's mixing capabilities and runs on a horrible engine. I always made my track, split it, then mixed in Pro-Tools or AA3.
:cornlol: Does Timbaland collab with you in pro tools?
Well it's true. From experience in computer programming school, it is easy to tell that FL's engine was poorly programmed. You're almost required to buy an audio interface if you want to use. It's not even worth it's price.
im using FL with a mouse and midi controller?
Pro Tools is the one that requires a interface?
and how is it easy to tell its poorly programmes, did you hack into its coding script or something?
Not bashing you or pro tools, i have m powered pro tools, what your saying though is just BS. Read nowaysj's post up there ^

Re: Fruity Loops Loses quality in channels?

Posted: Wed Jun 08, 2011 8:15 am
by wub
RandoRando wrote:and how is it easy to tell its poorly programmes, did you hack into its coding script or something?

It's just experience - like if anyone studied Design Technology, they'd instantly understand how shitty most French cars are, for example.