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VESPERS!

Dude, I love you man.

Waddup! Just joined this forum recently. Glad to connect with you kids. This place is legit. Expect more video tutorials comin soon!

vespers good to see ur on the forums now. iv talked to u on youtube a bit on one of your glitched sax vids. keep up the tutorials man. even though i dont have ableton i still enjoy them.

Vespers, you are my Ableton's manual. Love your work and contribution. Keep it up, sir.

Well presented and straight to the point, with a hint of delight!

Excellent video mate!

you can only really do this if you have like a 4/4 kick or something though, if you wanted to sidechain to the kick, and you have like a standard dnb beat, the kick doesnt occur at equal distances from each other, so you would still have to sidechain, but yeah, just for the pumpin effect its good. i saw a tutorial before, think it was phonat, and he uses like an auto filter with an LFO instead of sidechaining, so instead of ducking the sound out on the beat, your filtering it down.

Thanks for the support everyone! Glad to connect with you all on this forum. I'm diggin the vibe here. Much love out to you all!

skimpi wrote:you can only really do this if you have like a 4/4 kick or something though, if you wanted to sidechain to the kick, and you have like a standard dnb beat, the kick doesnt occur at equal distances from each other, so you would still have to sidechain, but yeah, just for the pumpin effect its good. i saw a tutorial before, think it was phonat, and he uses like an auto filter with an LFO instead of sidechaining, so instead of ducking the sound out on the beat, your filtering it down.

Yeah, it's not meant to totally replace sidechaining. There are certainly instances, like you mentioned, where it's still useful. But for 4/4 style pumping, this is super fast.

Phonat typically uses manual volume envelopes to get his pumping effect, or sometimes carefully chosen open hi hat samples. Didn't know he was using the Autofilter trick, but that's a great one too. You gotta really watch the resonance on your filter if you're using it on sub frequencies though. The resonant peak can really mess things up if you're sweeping it in the sub 100 hz range.

Vespers, just wanted to take a sec to shoot some love your way. It's not that often you get to thank those that have genuinely helped you in life. Your contribution to the EDM world certainly has helped myself, and PLENTY of others as you're referenced SEVERAL times here, glitch hop forum, and DOA. I appreciate you, your talent, and all the hard work you put in.

Thanks.

Vespers wrote:

skimpi wrote:you can only really do this if you have like a 4/4 kick or something though, if you wanted to sidechain to the kick, and you have like a standard dnb beat, the kick doesnt occur at equal distances from each other, so you would still have to sidechain, but yeah, just for the pumpin effect its good. i saw a tutorial before, think it was phonat, and he uses like an auto filter with an LFO instead of sidechaining, so instead of ducking the sound out on the beat, your filtering it down.

Yeah, it's not meant to totally replace sidechaining. There are certainly instances, like you mentioned, where it's still useful. But for 4/4 style pumping, this is super fast.

Phonat typically uses manual volume envelopes to get his pumping effect, or sometimes carefully chosen open hi hat samples. Didn't know he was using the Autofilter trick, but that's a great one too. You gotta really watch the resonance on your filter if you're using it on sub frequencies though. The resonant peak can really mess things up if you're sweeping it in the sub 100 hz range.

fair enough for making the video and it's an interesting enough way to get that pumping effect, but the line where you say "oh sidechaining it's a pain you have to have the source material..." it's like you've totally missed the point of sidechaining, the source material is what it's all about!

Toolman4 wrote:Vespers, just wanted to take a sec to shoot some love your way. It's not that often you get to thank those that have genuinely helped you in life. Your contribution to the EDM world certainly has helped myself, and PLENTY of others as you're referenced SEVERAL times here, glitch hop forum, and DOA. I appreciate you, your talent, and all the hard work you put in.

Thanks.

You're certainly very welcome. Thanks for the support. What's DOA?

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Vespers wrote:

skimpi wrote:you can only really do this if you have like a 4/4 kick or something though, if you wanted to sidechain to the kick, and you have like a standard dnb beat, the kick doesnt occur at equal distances from each other, so you would still have to sidechain, but yeah, just for the pumpin effect its good. i saw a tutorial before, think it was phonat, and he uses like an auto filter with an LFO instead of sidechaining, so instead of ducking the sound out on the beat, your filtering it down.

Yeah, it's not meant to totally replace sidechaining. There are certainly instances, like you mentioned, where it's still useful. But for 4/4 style pumping, this is super fast.

Phonat typically uses manual volume envelopes to get his pumping effect, or sometimes carefully chosen open hi hat samples. Didn't know he was using the Autofilter trick, but that's a great one too. You gotta really watch the resonance on your filter if you're using it on sub frequencies though. The resonant peak can really mess things up if you're sweeping it in the sub 100 hz range.

fair enough for making the video and it's an interesting enough way to get that pumping effect, but the line where you say "oh sidechaining it's a pain you have to have the source material..." it's like you've totally missed the point of sidechaining, the source material is what it's all about!

Obviously I'm not saying this should replace all sidechaining. I still use it heavily in all my tracks. This video is specifically speaking to the 4/4 pumping effect that sidechaining is commonly used for in a lot of dance music. To achieve that simple effect, setting it up in the traditional way is a pain IMO. I use different types of source material all the time to drive sidechained gates, autofilters, and compressors. This isn't a comprehensive video on sidechaining, just a useful technique I wanted to share.

Vespers wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Vespers wrote:

skimpi wrote:you can only really do this if you have like a 4/4 kick or something though, if you wanted to sidechain to the kick, and you have like a standard dnb beat, the kick doesnt occur at equal distances from each other, so you would still have to sidechain, but yeah, just for the pumpin effect its good. i saw a tutorial before, think it was phonat, and he uses like an auto filter with an LFO instead of sidechaining, so instead of ducking the sound out on the beat, your filtering it down.

Yeah, it's not meant to totally replace sidechaining. There are certainly instances, like you mentioned, where it's still useful. But for 4/4 style pumping, this is super fast.

Phonat typically uses manual volume envelopes to get his pumping effect, or sometimes carefully chosen open hi hat samples. Didn't know he was using the Autofilter trick, but that's a great one too. You gotta really watch the resonance on your filter if you're using it on sub frequencies though. The resonant peak can really mess things up if you're sweeping it in the sub 100 hz range.

fair enough for making the video and it's an interesting enough way to get that pumping effect, but the line where you say "oh sidechaining it's a pain you have to have the source material..." it's like you've totally missed the point of sidechaining, the source material is what it's all about!

Obviously I'm not saying this should replace all sidechaining. I still use it heavily in all my tracks. This video is specifically speaking to the 4/4 pumping effect that sidechaining is commonly used for in a lot of dance music. To achieve that simple effect, setting it up in the traditional way is a pain IMO. I use different types of source material all the time to drive sidechained gates, autofilters, and compressors. This isn't a comprehensive video on sidechaining, just a useful technique I wanted to share.

like i said it's an interesting way to acheieve that pumping effect, it's just not sidechaining. also DOA = dogsonacid

not sure if you have already read it but if not checkout the ableton q+a thread, plenty of us there all sharing ableton knowledge and helping each other out. there's a particularly awesome (well IMO) way of combining drums racks with impulse, i also posted a tip recently to make it possible to control global sends on individual elements within drums racks.

I went on to watch most of your videos.
Great work man, well demonstrated and good results.

You've been a great mentor, Mr. Vespers

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Vespers wrote:

symmetricalsounds wrote:

Vespers wrote:

skimpi wrote:you can only really do this if you have like a 4/4 kick or something though, if you wanted to sidechain to the kick, and you have like a standard dnb beat, the kick doesnt occur at equal distances from each other, so you would still have to sidechain, but yeah, just for the pumpin effect its good. i saw a tutorial before, think it was phonat, and he uses like an auto filter with an LFO instead of sidechaining, so instead of ducking the sound out on the beat, your filtering it down.

Yeah, it's not meant to totally replace sidechaining. There are certainly instances, like you mentioned, where it's still useful. But for 4/4 style pumping, this is super fast.

Phonat typically uses manual volume envelopes to get his pumping effect, or sometimes carefully chosen open hi hat samples. Didn't know he was using the Autofilter trick, but that's a great one too. You gotta really watch the resonance on your filter if you're using it on sub frequencies though. The resonant peak can really mess things up if you're sweeping it in the sub 100 hz range.

fair enough for making the video and it's an interesting enough way to get that pumping effect, but the line where you say "oh sidechaining it's a pain you have to have the source material..." it's like you've totally missed the point of sidechaining, the source material is what it's all about!

Obviously I'm not saying this should replace all sidechaining. I still use it heavily in all my tracks. This video is specifically speaking to the 4/4 pumping effect that sidechaining is commonly used for in a lot of dance music. To achieve that simple effect, setting it up in the traditional way is a pain IMO. I use different types of source material all the time to drive sidechained gates, autofilters, and compressors. This isn't a comprehensive video on sidechaining, just a useful technique I wanted to share.

like i said it's an interesting way to acheieve that pumping effect, it's just not sidechaining. also DOA = dogsonacid

not sure if you have already read it but if not checkout the ableton q+a thread, plenty of us there all sharing ableton knowledge and helping each other out. there's a particularly awesome (well IMO) way of combining drums racks with impulse, i also posted a tip recently to make it possible to control global sends on individual elements within drums racks.

Ah,right on. That's a forum I need to get on. Been hearing about it lots. Thanks. The tutorial on Drum Racks with Impulse is the Drumpluse tut from Dub Spot I assume? Great one. I prefer to use Samplers myself with their mod matrices doing the modulations. Samplers in Live are great tools. The stretch parameter in Impulse is sweet though, that's something I miss about Battery.

For your tip on the globals sends within Drum Racks, I'm glad people are exploring deeper into Drum Racks. They're so powerful. Good on you for posting that. I did a 2 hour Drum Racks tutorial for Mac Pro Video a while back and that was one of the sections, using a blank return chain and routing the output up to a master return.

yeah man from the dubspot thing, you can do similar things with the sampler but for me i find it cleaner doing it the impulse/drum rack way, it's also much easier to setup a template.

yeah drum racks are one of the greatest things about ableton, cool u did the mac pro video on them, i'd seen it on some site but not actually watched it.

symmetricalsounds wrote:yeah man from the dubspot thing, you can do similar things with the sampler but for me i find it cleaner doing it the impulse/drum rack way, it's also much easier to setup a template.

yeah drum racks are one of the greatest things about ableton, cool u did the mac pro video on them, i'd seen it on some site but not actually watched it.

Right on. Dub Spot's on it. Good quality tuts. Mac Pro Video is ace. Their $25 a month membership with unlimited library access is sweet. One of the best ways to get educated IMO. Cheers!