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I was listening to a lot of Borgore this morning, because that man is a straight up gangster, and one thing that really caught my ear were his piano melodies. Those were really good, it had a nice, rich, timbre piano sound. I'm under the impression that nobody in the Dubstep scene uses a live recorded piano
Anyone know how to achieve such nice sounding pianos? I have a lot of libraries and VSTs that have nice Jazz, Electric, and Organs, but they're not quite right. Any way to get such a realistic sound, without obviously live recording (which I really want to do, and when I get enough money I'll see if I can make that happen). I know there are a lot of theads like this active, but I've tried them all, I actually have the Leap Orchestral pack, Philharmonik, Kontakt, and Virtual Piano. The only one I don't have is the Alicia Keys and samples.

Also, if you know Borgore's set up, MIDI keyboard wise, do tell. I'm also looking to buy a new MIDI keyboard to tend to my pianist side.

I am interested.

You refering to his tune Birthday and the black november aye? I think he recorded each note from a good grand piano into his sampler. I also believe he is leaving the sound as free from effects as possible, except from reverb and som other but subtel effects. It's alsoalot about the chords he plays and when he plays them, which scale he uses and so on.

I know his setup has been partially revealed in some interview he made. He said something about having a BIG sub behind him while producing, not sure though. Pretty sure he uses some expensive MIDI keyboard too, probably over 49 keys atleat, wouldn't be surprised at all if it was one with 76 even.
Not sure about any of your questions though, just saying what I think it could be.

All I know is. Cubase. Massive. And an electronic drum kit.

A chainsaw and a condenser mic.

Get Alicia's Keys.

I did a simple recording using it a week or so ago. Nothin' fancy but gives a pretty decent feel of how the VST sounds.

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Heartless wrote:Get Alicia's Keys.

I did a simple recording using it a week or so ago. Nothin' fancy but gives a pretty decent feel of how the VST sounds.

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Oh snap, that's fantastic. Both quality and melody. Good work, you got me, I'll buy that tomorrow and see how well it is. Is that dry, or does it have pre patched effects? What MIDI keyboard do you have too?

GothamHero wrote:

Heartless wrote:Get Alicia's Keys.

I did a simple recording using it a week or so ago. Nothin' fancy but gives a pretty decent feel of how the VST sounds.

Soundcloud

Oh snap, that's fantastic. Both quality and melody. Good work, you got me, I'll buy that tomorrow and see how well it is. Is that dry, or does it have pre patched effects? What MIDI keyboard do you have too?

Thanks, bro. I believe I used the built-in reverb and just a bit of Ableton's delay. I used the "Audience" setting in the plugin. Basically, you can set whether you want the "microphone" to be at the piano or in the audience.

I use an M-Audio Axiom 25. I used to rock the Radium 49 but I broke off the USB connector because I'm a careless idiot. M-Audio is great, always been a fan of their products.

[quote="GothamHero" I'm under the impression that nobody in the Dubstep scene uses a live recorded piano [/quote]

JAMES BLACKE MOTHERF*CKER, DO YOU KNOW HIM?

also what's so hard about going to your school or any of your friends house, play piano and record that with a portable recorder that's like 100 bucks?
inb4 you don't have 100 bucks, because if you don't have these you definetly won't have enough money for a vst that's good enough to replace a real piano.

hasezwei wrote:

GothamHero wrote: I'm under the impression that nobody in the Dubstep scene uses a live recorded piano

JAMES BLACKE MOTHERF*CKER, DO YOU KNOW HIM?

also what's so hard about going to your school or any of your friends house, play piano and record that with a portable recorder that's like 100 bucks?
inb4 you don't have 100 bucks, because if you don't have these you definetly won't have enough money for a vst that's good enough to replace a real piano.

NO I DON'T, I FEEL BAD NOW.

I prefer a home studio, I have the money, I'm just confirming if it's a worthwhile investment. I'd never do it at school, I prefer a microphone constantly recording and hours, maybe days, of mindless improvisation. Personally, I haven't found an affordable MIDI keyboard that can compare with a Yamaha or Roland. I'll search up James Blacke as I've been trying to find ways to incorporate keyboard melodies into my tracks.

Heartless, I can't believe you whipped that up with a 25 key. I had a LPK25 and found it impossible to play with both hands, and I'm not used to non weighted, non full sized keys either; however, I was curious to how a MIDI keyboard would improve production, and it does :3

Wait, I do know who James BLAKE is. That seriously had me confused.

Whats your budget for a midi keyboard?
if its not high enouth for an akai fully weighted keyboard you could go semi weighted.
I got a good deal on DV24/7 's B stock on a semi weighted novation REmote 49 (only the box was damadged and it came with 6 or 12 months warrenty anyways) ... altho i like it having seen my mates akai one im thinking of swapping over as the pads on mine are terrible.

There was a really nice fully weighted keyboard in computer music a few years back but i forgot who made it thought it was tonehammer but dont see it on there site. ..

so yea whats you budget?

GothamHero wrote:

hasezwei wrote:

GothamHero wrote: I'm under the impression that nobody in the Dubstep scene uses a live recorded piano

JAMES BLACKE MOTHERF*CKER, DO YOU KNOW HIM?

also what's so hard about going to your school or any of your friends house, play piano and record that with a portable recorder that's like 100 bucks?
inb4 you don't have 100 bucks, because if you don't have these you definetly won't have enough money for a vst that's good enough to replace a real piano.

NO I DON'T, I FEEL BAD NOW.

I prefer a home studio, I have the money, I'm just confirming if it's a worthwhile investment. I'd never do it at school, I prefer a microphone constantly recording and hours, maybe days, of mindless improvisation. Personally, I haven't found an affordable MIDI keyboard that can compare with a Yamaha or Roland. I'll search up James Blacke as I've been trying to find ways to incorporate keyboard melodies into my tracks.

Heartless, I can't believe you whipped that up with a 25 key. I had a LPK25 and found it impossible to play with both hands, and I'm not used to non weighted, non full sized keys either; however, I was curious to how a MIDI keyboard would improve production, and it does :3

I would like to have a larger keyboard to be able to play with more range, but a 25 is fine. That recording is a few takes. I'll either come up with some chords or a melody I like, record, and let it loop while I play something else over it. I'm more of a composer than a pianist. I'm a pretty terrible player to be honest.

And I'd have to disagree with Hasezwei. Go the software route. Recording a real piano is no simple task, especially if you don't own one. First you gotta find someone with one that is nice, most people have pretty mediocre pianos. They have to agree to let you play and record. Then ya gotta mic everything properly. And of course, you can't make revisions later on. Or you could rent studio time, which is pricey.

Leonce wrote:A chainsaw and a condenser mic.

lol